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Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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And it has the same fake excuse as usual "Since this was our first OSS project, we didn’t realize at first." He sure discovered this new open source thing and it's very confusing. It's not like it's almost 40 years old at that point. I'll never understand people who lie like toddlers.

This incompetence excuse puts YC in a bad spotlight too, because it makes them look like they are funding people with exact zero software development experience.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Hiding the entire history of this incident[1] behind a force push[2] to make it seem as if credit was given and proper license was chosen from the start really displays a lack of integrity, and tells me it’s definitely malicious (which should be quite clear from zero mention of the original project to begin with, but this act reinforces that) rather an inadvertent screwup. [1] https://github.com/pickle-com/glass/comm…

I don’t think the rebase is malicious. Would they even be allowed to continue distributing the older commits (where they claim an Apache license) or would that be to perpetuate the license violation?

I'm too jaded to pointlessly debate all the misunderstandings about copyright and licenses. Bottom line is, this case is clearly not going to court, so there's no entity allowing or not allowing them to do anything, the only thing that matters is does this act of hiding enrages the original author even more? My answer to that is yes. Plus that old commit is still there, accessible after a couple of rather obscure clicks, so it's not even taken down if you want to debate technicalities.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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yeah he changed it rn https://github.com/pickle-com/glass/commit/5c462179acface889...

He=you? What's the game here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44460855

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Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Sadly in my experience various courts have taken a stance that violating GPL does not cause monetary damages, because the software in question is free.

Can you cite some actual cases?

I somewhat doubt they can since in the US the BusyBox lawsuits pretty much all ended with the infringers settling and paying out, and those that didn’t settle, busybox won[1]. I would think that, and the original artistic license lawsuits (which were decided on by the US court of appeals) established that infringing open source softwaree licenses is a copyright infringement.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox#GPL_lawsuits

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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looks like they fixed it: https://github.com/pickle-com/glass/commit/5c462179acface889... let's not freak out - you can't "steal" open-source code, they used an incompatible license. that was accidentally too free. people monetizing something you open-source isn't stealing.

> looks like they fixed it: https://github.com/pickle-com/glass/commit/5c462179acface889...

Not fixed, covered up.

> let's not freak out - you can't "steal" open-source code, they used an incompatible license. that was accidentally too free.

What a poetic formulation? In reality, they deleted history and they put a license that allows the "freedom" to let them monetize the code. I wonder how's the original author more free with this license? How is anyone more free? Sounds like the license was "accidentally" "too free" in a way that only made themselves more free.

> people monetizing something you open-source isn't stealing.

It's, in fact, the precise definition when the open-source project uses the GPLv3 license.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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looks like they fixed it: https://github.com/pickle-com/glass/commit/5c462179acface889... let's not freak out - you can't "steal" open-source code, they used an incompatible license. that was accidentally too free. people monetizing something you open-source isn't stealing.

And they've now orphaned that commit, they're a sketchy bunch at best. Unfortunately, sketchy is generally rewarded.

I'm starting to sense a pattern with this project.

They've squashed the history to hide their earlier "error". This isn't compliant with section 5a of the GPLv3[1].

"sketchy at best" is a polite description of this pattern of behaviour.

[1] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html#section5

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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The first rule of HN moderation is that we moderate (i.e., intervene) less if a story reflects negatively on a YC company or YC itself. This principle goes right back to pg days, and was the first thing he taught dang [1]. That said, it doesn't mean we avoid moderation at all and it doesn't mean the guidelines all go out the window. Different factors influence the story's rank and visibility on the front page: upvote…

The evidence clearly shows it was not a 'dumb mistake' They claim they wrote the whole thing in 4 days. They did not attribute the original author in ANY way. They clearly showed they intended to steal the authors work and sell it as if they wrote it. YC has just become such a dumpster fire if that kind behaviour is even remotely accepted or called a 'dumb mistake'

Original Author should have put 4 lines atop each source with then as copyright holder. https://github.com/sohzm/cheating-daddy/blob/master/LICENSE#.... I sometimes make GPL and forget that bit too

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Is there a way to file lawsuits for such cases? These incidents lead to death of open-source and crush hearts of open-source developers.

Seems like this would be a pretty open and shut case of copyright infringement.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Is there a way to file lawsuits for such cases? These incidents lead to death of open-source and crush hearts of open-source developers.

I believe that BusyBox sued over violations like 17 years ago. I am not aware of any other instances.

Wikipedia has a list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_license_litigation
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