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Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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The massive nuance you are missing is that IRC had a default expectation of being ephemeral in nature. Sure you might use IRC for chatting and have some bots around that - but typically your long term storage of information would have been handled in something like a forum, website, email list, file repository, etc - so that even if an individual IRC server went down it wasn't a big deal to move along. IRC was/is les…

> The massive nuance you are missing is that IRC had a default expectation of being ephemeral in nature. Bouncers and log bots have been a thing even 20 years ago when I was active on Freenode. In fact, a bouncer and log bot was what made me get my very first own VPS... time flies. It lasted a year until my first attempt at a libc upgrade failed, that was a lot of work to fix.

Those items exist yes, however they aren't required nor are they tied to the service nor universal so the again the DEFAULT expectation is that anything put onto the platform was ephemeral.

Being able to get a text file log dump easily is also light years ahead of what most people are able to do on discord.

In order to get log bots or bouncers up and running it required some technical know how (meaning most people didn't do it, thus staying ephemeral as default) but those that did do it were well aware how to get and export those log files for archiving etc (thus why we have things like bash.org).

On Discord it's default and while yes someone could setup bots or something to export some of the content - that requires some technical know how (meaning most people won't do it). Thus everything in there goes away when the service closes.... even though the DEFAULT EXPECTATION is that information there is forever.

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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That logging you want (every command and response) would have been a huge GDPR violation. I suppose they could have logged only if a bot token was detected in output. But if you'd think to do that, then why not also just block the output?

You do not understand GDPR at all. Both performance of contract and legitimate interests cover security issues and associated logging.

Logging all user inputs and outputs forever "because what if there's a bug" (and you don't know what the bug will be) will not fly with any judge.

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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So my small app that had maybe 50k users at peak never allowed third party integrations. How is that not a monopoly by this definition? Would it have been more or less of a monopoly if I had allowed third party integrations?

The DMA has language defining thresholds below which it doesn’t apply. At 50k users, I would not expect or call for the DMA to apply. Discord has slightly more than that and I would expect the DMA to apply to them, assuming the EU found them to be an in-scope platform. Given their recent introduction of gaming and such inside their ‘we’re not just a chat server anymore’ feature expansion, one could argue that they’re…

Isn't that moving the goalpost from "monopoly" to "gatekeeper as a technical term under DMA"?

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do not understand GDPR at all. Both performance of contract and legitimate interests cover security issues and associated logging.

Logging all user inputs and outputs forever "because what if there's a bug" (and you don't know what the bug will be) will not fly with any judge.

> judge

Comprehensively unaware of the GDPR enforcement process also.

What will you google next, I wonder?

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