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Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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If the US is in the wrong, why should I as a citizen not want our government officials held accountable?

If you look at the history of the ICC, what makes you think they hold people accountable for human rights violations? Never mind effectively.

The ICC is a cool idea in theory. The implementation pretty much causes human rights violations.

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It’s not appropriate for an international court that we’re not even a part of to put our Presidents and their subordinates on trial, nor is it something we should meekly concede to.

Why not? Someone has to do it.

We have the Uniform Code of Military Justice for military personnel, and on paper, a Congress to hold the President accountable, although that obviously needs to be beefed up because the results lately have been unsatisfactory. It does not need to be the ICC, nor should we allow it.

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50% of people do not support this. That’s a made up number. Trump has barely over 40%. He is an unpopular criminal who has shown time and again he will break the law. What even makes you think a criminal like this would win an election fairly?

Trump won the majority vote in an election that brought out a huge amount of voters compared to previous elections, and Republicans won every other government body. He's not unpopular and many people do support him, unfortunately. Best case scenario, the silent majority didn't bother to prevent Trump and his lackeys from taking over the American government. I don't think denying Trump's popularity is going to solve a…

Donald Trump has never won a majority vote in any public election. 49.9% is not a majority.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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The US continues to burn its soft power capital to defend Israel - this guy was only targeted because of his investigations on Israeli war crimes.

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There's no conspiracy, it's public information he received lots of funding from pro-Israel sources: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/25/us/politics/miriam-adelso... .

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It doesn't need to throw out the baby with the (US-controlled) bathwater. The EU should present Microsoft with an ultimatum similar to what China might: setup a non-controlled european licensee to own and manage all MS & Azure infrastructure in the region, or have some legislators force a similar structure on them. Complete control, full sourcecode, EU-only support/access - as a condition for corp HQ being allowed to…

the problem the EU has is that such an ultimatum lacks teeth. China gets to make these demands because they've down willingness to fund and build homegrown alternatives and then blacklist the foreign competitor. If the EU wants the leverage to make these sorts of demands, they need to start by giving out a couple million here and there for the competitors they want to see.

There is another problem: EU politicians would immediately use this against each other. For example, the Spanish governments in Barcelona and Madrid constantly do anything they can to sabotage each other. And this is not the only such pair. Hell, the French and German governments, the main force behind the whole EU, still hate each other.

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The ICCs (and a bunch of other organizations') bias against Israel is pretty obvious no matter which side of the political aisle one stands on.

On what evidence?

Look what it investigated and what it did not, there is your evidence. No Jews No News.

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Israel is not a proxy state, they self-determine oftentimes against what their allies have wanted them to do.

for the sake of understanding your position, could you provide some examples? to me it doesn’t seem clear that israeli foreign policy is far removed from US foreign policy or even in contention. The way we vote at the UNSC proves our support for some of the most grotesque of actions - deliberately killing infants and children. Their recent preemptive strike on Iran is, imo, further evidence of that proxy status.

Israel is very much not in the control of the US. The US didn’t want Gaza razed to the ground. The US didn’t want to start another regional war. We were try to get out if this mess. Our population voted to get out of military action in the Middle East.

Unfortunately for the US, we’re stuck with what Israel decides to do. A lot of Americans are in favor of supporting Israel for one reason or another. If Irsael is somehow controlling the United States via lobbying or whatever, that kind of invalidates the whole client state idea.

US is the most powerful country in the world but that doesn’t mean we directly control our allies as client states.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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It’s not appropriate for an international court that we’re not even a part of to put our Presidents and their subordinates on trial, nor is it something we should meekly concede to.

Was Germany a part of any such treaty? Or was it inappropriate for those Nazis to be held accountable for their crimes?

The Hague Conventions and the Kellogg-Briand Pact. Although, in reality, it was a matter of the winners deciding on a suitable punishment for the losers. They did, however, go to considerable lengths to find legal justification in international law for the prosecutions and punishments of Nazi leaders. They could have just shot them: Churchill and Stalin both supported summary execution, although Churchill later changed his mind.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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It’s not appropriate for an international court that we’re not even a part of to put our Presidents and their subordinates on trial, nor is it something we should meekly concede to.

Was Germany a part of any such treaty? Or was it inappropriate for those Nazis to be held accountable for their crimes?

Germany also lost the war. Their highest ranking officials and military were not in a position to prevent it; moreover I’m pretty okay with having applied the winner’s justice over Nazi Germany. Put us in the position where we can’t say “no” before you apply your own justice, but we’re still going to do everything in our power to defend ourselves.
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