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Re: Wayland is growing up. and now we don't have a choice

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Post by vidarh » Mon, Jun 23, 2025, 12:06 PM UTC

LightHugger wrote: post #129

const_cast wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> one side you have a guy who is "political" by saying he's anti dei and welcomes everyone of various politics and identities Yes, being anti-woke and pro-Trump is political. I'm sorry, it just very obviously is. It's not a double standard because it's the same standard. Just like DEI might piss some people off, being a Trumpie might piss some people off. If you think that making anti-woke claims or MAGA references i…

DEI doesn't just "piss some people off", it's outright illegal discrimination and red hat's concequences are currently working their way through the court systems. This strange equivocation from things that are clearly on completely different levels is tiresome. If you personally are one of these people who think hurting people with racial discrimination is on the same level as typing "Together we'll make X great aga…

You're applying a deeply partisan interpretation of DEI to imply a very specific set of policies that are not anywhere close to universally supported by proponents of DEI. That is the problem.

If you can't see why this gets interpreted as an extremist stance by a lot of people, then that is part of the problem.

As long as those statements are in the README, it's like a giant flashing red light that the project is toxic and extremely political and pushing an agenda seen as extreme right by a lot of people.

People are free to run their projects whichever way they want, but words have consequences, and we can see in this very threat how that wording is derailing this projects chances of being considered on its technical merits.

Re: Wayland is growing up. and now we don't have a choice

#132

Post by LightHugger » Tue, Jun 24, 2025, 12:08 AM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #131

LightHugger wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DEI doesn't just "piss some people off", it's outright illegal discrimination and red hat's concequences are currently working their way through the court systems. This strange equivocation from things that are clearly on completely different levels is tiresome. If you personally are one of these people who think hurting people with racial discrimination is on the same level as typing "Together we'll make X great aga…

You're applying a deeply partisan interpretation of DEI to imply a very specific set of policies that are not anywhere close to universally supported by proponents of DEI. That is the problem. If you can't see why this gets interpreted as an extremist stance by a lot of people, then that is part of the problem. As long as those statements are in the README, it's like a giant flashing red light that the project is tox…

That specific set of policies is being specifically implemented by IBM/Red hat. It's not exactly a small niche company, and it is very obviously directly related to the situation and the need to fork. It's also not a partisan interpretation, it's the only objective legal interpretation. Objective truth exists despite your efforts to pretend otherwise. Yes, there are stupid ignorant people who will see the words "DEI bad" interpret it wrongly. But it doesn't make them correct.

Re: Wayland is growing up. and now we don't have a choice

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Post by LightHugger » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 4:21 AM UTC

happymellon wrote: post #119

LightHugger wrote: post #105

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This didn't happen because redhat/ibm/microsoft took control of the project and decided they wanted to kill it. They have said this directly on social media that this is their explicit goal so it's not as if this is a conspiracy of some sort, it's just their publicly stated goal. They then deliberately stopped merging changes and left it to rot until the contributors got frustrated enough to fork it. Now a massive ga…

> Now a massive gamergate-esque coordinated character assassination campaign against the creator of xlibre is ongoing even from publications The ranting anti-vaxer racist did it to themselves.

the racist DEI loving IBM/red hat employees and leadership did it to themselves

https://x.com/America1stLegal/status/1937994904132551029

I hope every last one of these people responsible lose their jobs.

Re: Wayland is growing up. and now we don't have a choice

#134

Post by wizzwizz4 » Sun, Jun 29, 2025, 11:10 AM UTC

DonaldFisk wrote: post #70

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #56

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XWayland is still supported, and afaik will be for some time. It's only standalone Xorg which isn't.

Thanks, this might be what I'm looking for. It's covered here: https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/ch05.html and https://www.mankier.com/1/Xwayland

Ariadne Conill is turning Xwayland into a full X11 replacement: https://github.com/kaniini/wayback. She doesn't want to maintain it long-term, so if you're interested in contributing, please do: the more people understand the codebase, the better.