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Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by Ekaros »

orev wrote: post #120
akimbostrawman wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that might be the case for individuals but not corporations and organizations that also have the most hardware. i know from personal experience that windows 11 hardware requirements e-wasted tens of thousands of mostly perfectly fine computer and that is just a single medium sized organization. counting that up to even just one country is an enormous amount of waste. not to mention all the wasted money better spend e…

Can an organization that has “tens of thousands” of computers running Windows really be considered “medium sized”?

No. I think around 250 employees is in many locations considered large company. And above 500 or 1000 would certainly be such. So anyone with thousands such devices outside refresh cycle is certainly not medium sized.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by indrora »

smarx007 wrote: post #19
v9v wrote: post #2

Why do people keep bringing up this e-waste argument and act like they have to throw their Windows 10 computers into the garbage? It's not like the operating system stops working the second official support ends.

Sure, there is nothing wrong with that if you either: 1. Disconnect that computer from the internet. 2. Are happy to have your computer infected and join a botnet.

Defender won't stop getting updates for devices running 10 from everything I've seen.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by indrora »

pathartl wrote: post #122
Dwedit wrote: post #110

Linux has no viable solution for developing Windows Forms applications in C# with debugging and Edit-and-continue support. There's Visual Studio running in a VM, and that's it.

Why are you still writing stuff with win forms?

Some people have jobs that make money.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by riobard »

msgodel wrote: post #130
riobard wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That mentality gets us fragmentation of Linux DE for the past few decades with none winning majority mindshare and no commitment from major commercial developers. Sure with a capable browser most use cases can be covered but then there will not be a Year of Linux DE. It would be a Year of Chromium-based Browsers where DE is mostly irrelevant. Those abstracted away details matter a lot if you care about user experienc…

Who cares? Run the DE you like. I don't want to be forced to run the one you like since, quite frankly, being someone new to this you're going to have awful opinions about how it should work. If you sat down in front of my computer you probably wouldn't even know how to move the windows around. And that's fine. We don't need to be running the same software as long as everything actually works.

Well since you don’t care about Linux DE adoption, we’re not going to have any meaningful discussion.

Enjoy your DE however you like it :)

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by npteljes »

delusional wrote: post #44

What was the point in inventing the universal Turing machine if we then just arbitrarily gate it again? Computers were supposed to be different.

Why not gate it, if it means business?

Not to mention, Microsoft is rotten from the very beginning. But to be fair, it's not like the other tech giants are much more philanthropic.

For my hurt feelings, I found refuge in the open source community. Like you, I feel betrayed by technology - computers were really supposed to be different - and these guys are actually doing it. It just has a kind of warmth, and respect, that I don't get from Windows since like.... Win 95.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by npteljes »

s1mplicissimus wrote: post #66
delusional wrote: post #44

What was the point in inventing the universal Turing machine if we then just arbitrarily gate it again? Computers were supposed to be different.

My personal take is that we currently have way too little hardware/energy available to perform all possible computations, so we want to prioritize some computations over others.

The reason is more directly economical. We have more than sufficient energy to not have these gates in question, as demonstrated by people who disable the checks in the win11 installer and have it succeed on "unsupported" hardware. But it might not be worth it, for a profit-oriented company.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by [deleted] »

nine_k wrote: post #63
silotis wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because at the time those vulnerabilities could be exploited by executing malicious javascript in a browser to steal passwords "could be" is doing a lot of work here. AFAIK there has never been a PoC or active exploit which actually exfiltrates sensitive data from a browser using these vulnerabilities. Anyways, browsers have long since implemented software mitigations. IIRC the real criteria for W11 support has to…

Spook.js was demonstrated to steal passwords from another tab by running innocent-looking JS via the Spectre vulnerability. https://www.spookjs.com/

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Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by npteljes »

sergiotapia wrote: post #12

Very frustrated with Windows in general. I just discovered they are throttling my computer with Efficiency Mode on processes like Brave, Bruno, Cursor, etc. It's like that Auto Shutoff they added to cars. Helps no one, and nobody wanted it. (Thanks Obama https://www.newsweek.com/automatic-start-stop-technology-new... ) I would be on Linux today if Steam OS came out properly for desktop. I'm ready to dip.

You don't need Steam OS, any major Linux distro will suffice, as the customizations are not really on OS level, but on the Steam application level. And also, you don't strictly need Steam either, because the Heroic launcher can also do the "just select a Proton / Wine version and run Win application" functionality.

Also, Win 10 LTSC is still supported until like 2032 or so. I love it because it's more bare, and LTSCs don't get functional updates. Just install, point the thing toward an activation server / massgrave it, and you are good to go for many years.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by npteljes »

iluvcommunism wrote: post #134

Apple is kind of doing the same thing. It seems like every year they had a new OS. Now here we are, soon intel won’t be supported at all.

I agree. The scale is just bigger with MS. And so, maybe the responsibility too.
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