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Snorting the AGI with Claude Code

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Re: Snorting the AGI with Claude Code

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Post by sorcerer-mar »

leptons wrote: post #125
sorcerer-mar wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You pay junior devs way way way more money for the privilege of them being bad. And since they're human, the juniors themselves do not have the patience of an LLM. I really would not want to be a junior dev right now... Very unfair and undesirable situation they've landed in.

>You pay junior devs way way way more money for the privilege of them being bad. I hope you don't think that what you're paying for an LLM today is what it actually costs to run the LLM. You're paying a small fraction. So much investment money is being pumped into AI that it's going to make the 2000 dot-com bubble burst look tiny in comparison, if LLMs don't start actually returning on the massive investments. People…

Yeah, all fair, but I think there's enough capital to keep the gravy train rolling until the cost-per-performance actually get way, way, way below human junior engineers.

A lot of the application layer will disappear when it fails to show ROI, but the foundation models will continue to have obscene amounts of money dumped into them, and the coding use case will come along with that.

Re: Snorting the AGI with Claude Code

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Post by bretpiatt »

mountainriver wrote: post #82
jasonthorsness wrote: post #16

The terminal really is sort of the perfect interface for an LLM; I wonder whether this approach will become favored over the custom IDE integrations.

What??? It’s literally the worst interface Do you not want to edit your code after it’s generated?

I'm running terminal in one window with AI interaction and then VS Code with project on same directories so I can see via color coding updated or new files to review in the IDE.

How do you interact with your projects?

Re: Snorting the AGI with Claude Code

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Post by JohnMakin »

WD-42 wrote: post #127
mjrbrennan wrote: post #99

Not trying to be rude here, but that `last_week.md` is horrible to me. I can't imagine having to read that let alone listen to the computer say it to me. It's so much blah blah and fluff that reads like a bad PR piece. I'd much rather scan through commits of the last week. I've found this generally with AI summaries...usually their writing style is terrible, and I feel like I cannot really trust them to get the facts…

I felt the same thing about the onboarding. Like what future are we trying to build for ourselves here, exactly? The kind where instead of sitting down with a coworker to learn about a codebase, instead we get an ai generated PowerPoint to read alone???? Im so over this timeline.

all of this just reads like the supposed UML zeitgeist that was supposed to transform java and eliminate development 20 years ago

if this is all ultimately java but with even more steps, its a sign im definitely getting old. it’s just the same pattern of non technical people deceiving themselves into believing they dont need to be technical to build tech and then ultimately resulting in again 10-20 years of re-learning the painful lessons of that.

let me off this train too im tired already

Re: Snorting the AGI with Claude Code

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Post by SamPatt »

jjice wrote: post #5
SamPatt wrote: post #3

>Claude code feels more powerful than cursor, but why? One of the reasons seems it's ability to be scripted. At the end of the day, cursor is an editor, while claude code is a swiss army knife (on steroids). Agreed, and I find that I use Claude Code on more than traditional code bases. I run it in my Obsidian vault for all kinds of things. I run it to build local custom keyboard bindings with scripts that publish scr…

I'm very interested to hear what your uses cases are when using it in your Obsidian Vault

Formatting changes across lots of notes, creating custom plugins, diagnosing problems with community plugins, creating a syncing program that compares my vault (with publish:true frontmatter) to my blog repo and if see changes then automatically updates the repo (which is used to build my site), creating a tool that converts inline urls to markdown footnotes, etc.

Obsidian is my source of truth and Claude is really good at managing text, formatting, markdown, JS, etc. I never let it make changes automatically, I don't trust it that much yet, but it has undoubtedly saved me hours of manual fiddling with plugins and formatting alone.

Re: Snorting the AGI with Claude Code

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Post by never_inline »

mjrbrennan wrote: post #99

Not trying to be rude here, but that `last_week.md` is horrible to me. I can't imagine having to read that let alone listen to the computer say it to me. It's so much blah blah and fluff that reads like a bad PR piece. I'd much rather scan through commits of the last week. I've found this generally with AI summaries...usually their writing style is terrible, and I feel like I cannot really trust them to get the facts…

Here's a system prompt I tend to use

    ## Instructions
    * Be concise
    * Use simple sentences. But feel free to use technical jargon.
    * Do NOT overexplain basic concepts. Assume the user is technically proficient.
    * AVOID flattering, corporate-ish or marketing language. Maintain a neutral viewpoint.
    * AVOID vague and / or generic claims which may seem correct but are not substantiated by the the context.
Cannot completely avoid hallucinations and it's good to avoid AI for text that's used for human-to-human communication. But this makes AI answers to coding and technical questions easier to read.

Re: Snorting the AGI with Claude Code

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Post by ehnto »

djeastm wrote: post #102
smallnamespace wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can define your problem well then you can write tests up front. An ML person would call tests a "verifier". Verifiers let you pump compute into finding solutions.

Will people be willing to make their full time job writing tests?

As well, just because it pasts a test doesn't mean it doesn't do wonky, non-performant stuff. Or worse, side effects no one verified. Plenty often the LLM output will add new fields I didn't ask it to change as one example.

Re: Snorting the AGI with Claude Code

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Post by SamPatt »

davidw wrote: post #87
Aeolun wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, Claude Code only works if you have the plan. It’s impossible to use it on the API, and it makes me wonder if $100/month is truly enough. I use it all day every day now, and I must be consuming a whole lot more than my $100 is worth.

One thing that I am not liking about the LLM world is that it seems to be tilting several things back in favor of BigCorps. The open source world is one where antirez, working on his own off in Sicily, could create a project like Redis and then watch it snowball as people all over got involved. Needing a subscription to something only a large company can provide makes me unhappy. We'll see if "can be run locally" mod…

I share this concern - given the trajectory of improvements I do hope that we'll have something close to this level that can run locally within 18 months or so. And of course the closed source stuff will likely be better by then, but I genuinely believe I would choose an open source version of this right now if I had the choice.

The open source alternatives I've used aren't there yet on my 4090. Fingers crossed we'll get there.

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