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Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by sanswork »

kybishop wrote: post #40
sanswork wrote: post #23

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I switched fully to elixir close to a decade ago now and library availability is still lagging. For pretty much any company I can be pretty sure there will be JS/Ruby/Python/C#/Java integrations/libraries and occasionally you'll find one for elixir maintained by someone that stopped responding to github issues 3 years ago. It's definitely better but I can definitely see why you'd still choose rails these days.

I agree with this sentiment, though in practice it doesn't seem to be much of an issue the vast majority of the time. Sometimes you do need that niche library though, and end up forking and updating for your needs. Given how rarely this comes up it feels like a tolerable problem that will only diminish as Elixir adoption continues to increase; I am aware of many rail shops that are slowly and quietly switching everyt…

It may come up rarely for you but for my workflow I hit into it at least once a month and if you're a new user you will hit into it more frequently as they initially port stuff over. I'm not sure what the solution is and it obviously hasn't been enough to keep me out of the ecosystem but it is something that is noticeably worse.

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by sanswork »

sergiotapia wrote: post #30
kybishop wrote: post #18

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After programming with elixir and phoenix for a few years (with many prior years of rails experience) I have a hard time seeing why one would choose rails. Elixir is more performant, has compiler safety guarantees that are only getting better as types are introduced, is actually designed from the ground up for web dev (being based on the Erlang VM), and... it's just way more fun (subjective I know). Elixir is what I…

Rails has more baked in for the typical crud app. Example: Try to create a way for people to upload documents like images and PDFs and documents. Okay easy enough on both platforms and I want you to generate a preview for each of those files so that people can easily find those files. Now I want you to add pagination. Now I want you to add column sorting so that people can sort by file size or by name or by upload da…

Check out ash-hq.org they are basically building the data side framework to handle all those things and it works great with Phoenix.

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by RangerScience »

Hnus wrote: post #58
PapaPalpatine wrote: post #56

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What an odd question lol. Yes, people like writing in Ruby. I’m one of the. Switched from C# in 2016.

You don't miss things like enums, exhaustive switch or any other basic language features? How about `method_missing` its such a crazy idea to me that something like this exists, I know why it exists but I am like why, why such bloat and complexity.

Ruby inheritance is a list of class names. When you call a function on an object, Ruby goes up that list, looking for the first one that defines that function.

If it doesn't find any class defining that function, it calls `method_missing` (and again, goes up the list). The Ruby base object class defines `method_missing`, so if no-other classes in the ineritance list do, you get that one (which then throws the usual error).

IMO, there is zero bloat or complexity added by this; it's super simple language bootstrapping (allowing more of Ruby to be written in Ruby, vs the c interpreter).

What do you see as the bloat and complexity added by this?

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by RangerScience »

mvdtnz wrote: post #130
ukprogrammer wrote: post #12

The productivity of Rails for B2B 'CRUD' software is unmatched. Surprised to not see more newer startups make use of it!

The idea that Rails productivity is "unmatched" is such a holdover from 13 years ago. You can like Rails all you want but it is very much matched by several quality frameworks today. Many of which don't suffer from Rails' very real downsides.

> several quality frameworks

Gonna name names? :)

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by sergiotapia »

sanswork wrote: post #132
sergiotapia wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rails has more baked in for the typical crud app. Example: Try to create a way for people to upload documents like images and PDFs and documents. Okay easy enough on both platforms and I want you to generate a preview for each of those files so that people can easily find those files. Now I want you to add pagination. Now I want you to add column sorting so that people can sort by file size or by name or by upload da…

Check out ash-hq.org they are basically building the data side framework to handle all those things and it works great with Phoenix.

Extremely risky tbh I would have an extremely hard time if I go off path or need to hire someone. It would be almost negligence to choose it unfortunately

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by sanswork »

sergiotapia wrote: post #135
sanswork wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out ash-hq.org they are basically building the data side framework to handle all those things and it works great with Phoenix.

Extremely risky tbh I would have an extremely hard time if I go off path or need to hire someone. It would be almost negligence to choose it unfortunately

It's the opposite since it standardises everything as oppose to roll your own.

If you need to hire someone you'd need to train them on your system no matter what, with a framework you can use their documentation to explain where things are and how they work.

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by ricketycricket »

lilsoso wrote: post #97
kybishop wrote: post #37

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> Add in problems finding developers skilled in Elixir and Phoenix and the small available libraries. Is this actually a problem you see? I'm going on 15 years in the industry and haven't seen any issues training people up on a new language in just a couple months. If you need an expert in some library or language to make meaningful business progress I feel like that says more about whatever tool or language you're u…

> Is this actually a problem you see? I'm going on 15 years in the industry and haven't seen any issues training people up on a new language in just a couple months. Some years ago the largest company using Elixir in the US, or at least on the west coast, abandoned Elixir because they couldn't find enough developers. Yes. The adoption is poor despite the loud voices.

That's so disappointing to hear. I have an intern who hadn't touched Elixir 4 weeks ago who is already making meaningful PRs. She's done the PragProg courses and leans a bit on Copilot/Claude, but she's proving how quickly one can get up to speed on the language and contribute. To hear that a major company couldn't bring resources up to speed, to me, shows a failure of the organization, not the language or ecosystem.

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by ricketycricket »

sergiotapia wrote: post #30
kybishop wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After programming with elixir and phoenix for a few years (with many prior years of rails experience) I have a hard time seeing why one would choose rails. Elixir is more performant, has compiler safety guarantees that are only getting better as types are introduced, is actually designed from the ground up for web dev (being based on the Erlang VM), and... it's just way more fun (subjective I know). Elixir is what I…

Rails has more baked in for the typical crud app. Example: Try to create a way for people to upload documents like images and PDFs and documents. Okay easy enough on both platforms and I want you to generate a preview for each of those files so that people can easily find those files. Now I want you to add pagination. Now I want you to add column sorting so that people can sort by file size or by name or by upload da…

LiveView uploads are baked in, previews and all. Everything else you list is included in the Flop library, if you want something off the shelf. In rails you are still including Kaminari or whatever other gems for all this too, so this is really no different.

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by ricketycricket »

mattl wrote: post #101
kybishop wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After programming with elixir and phoenix for a few years (with many prior years of rails experience) I have a hard time seeing why one would choose rails. Elixir is more performant, has compiler safety guarantees that are only getting better as types are introduced, is actually designed from the ground up for web dev (being based on the Erlang VM), and... it's just way more fun (subjective I know). Elixir is what I…

Where is the 15 min make a simple blog with minimal code video for Elixir?

Twitter clone in 15 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZvmYaFkNJI

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by kelseydh »

It's funny that Rails generates params for parameters passed to it for GET, HEAD and DELETE requests, even though it shouldn't. I think I've noticed this before when debugging but never thought much of it. In a poorly coded application (e.g. globally detecting params on in a `before_action`) it definitely could be become an issue.
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