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The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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They give up and switch to Windows (again). The highest profile was in Munich where they did migrate >10,000 desktops to Linux and OpenOffice, but eventually they migrated back to Windows and Office: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux Lower Saxony: https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-scores-a-win-over-linu... Vienna: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wienux Note that even when these projects succeed, the software user…

Speaking completely off the cuff here, but I suspect that as government applications move to be web-based, perhaps there could be another wave of Linux adoption since all it would take essentially is a functioning browser.

yes, but then what was the point of moving if all functionality was on the web anyway?

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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The answer is, sadly, still more political than technical. Munich moved to Linux in 2004 and was mostly complete by 2013. Then Microsoft turned up the charm, and moved its headquarters in Germany to Munich, and Munich decided in 2017 to switch back to Windows by 2020: https://fsfe.org/news/2017/news-20170301-01.html But then different politicians were elected, and in 2020 it decided to switch back to Linux again: htt…

Munich story is one failure among many successes. Ever heard of GendBuntu? [1] Probably not, because it was a successful migration. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu

I find it puzzling they use OpenOffice instead of LibreOffice.

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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Talking to my Danish friends, and I have a fair few in tech, the country is owned by Microsoft. A lot of code jobs are c# on Azure, and all the office people use Excel. This is a welcome change. I've thought for a long time, why would your average office worker even need to pay MS for their desktop OS when so many things could just be done on the web? And why develop a bunch of stuff on a proprietary platform when yo…

It’s the same everywhere, that’s why Bill Gates is so rich :) If you ever tried to use anything else than Word & Excel to interact with people who are using Word & Excel , chances are that you encountered problems like wrong encoding files, that don’t open, files that open, but look incomplete, problems with alignment, etc. There’s so much friction that it’s not worth bothering. unfortunately, the proprietary softwar…

I encountered problems where people only accept .docx, not even .pdf

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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I used to love LibreOffice when it was OpenOffice.org. When it got unshackled from Oracle, it somehow became kinda uglier, and unfortunately it wasn't able to keep up with the times technology-wise, as all efforts to make it online are a failure of usability and speed. What we, the humanity, need, is a free-as-in-freedom open source set of web applications that work like Google Docs / Spreadsheets / Slides, but can b…

What do you mean "keep up with the times technology-wise"? LibreOffice has much better support for MSO formats than OpenOffice.

Also, have you tried enabling the ribbon in LibreOffice? View > User Interface > Tabbed

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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I entirely agree with you, but I'm at a loss as to how we might improve things. People just don't seem to care, just like they didn't seem to care to understand how machinery used to work. They know that they should press this button and expect that outcome.

We teach reading in school. I think the same could be done now for tech literacy. It was pointless to try something like that before because the older generation was usually less tech literate than the kids. But these days tech literacy is dropping (and with AI, probably even more so), so it might be that the older generation could actually teach it.

As a programmer I fully understand and even support what you suggest, but I’m not sure it will ever work. My mother, wife, good friend, etc - none of them can grok what a computer program is, or the file system. I’ve tried and tried for many years and it just doesn’t click. On the other hand, I’m realizing more and more how ‘blind’ I am when it comes to color, fashion, decorating, shapes, etc. My logical left-brain merges perfectly with computers, but not more squishy things. Many friends and family are the opposite. I don’t think teaching can overcome that basic wiring. We’re just different.

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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It's a great way for Denmark to negotiate a better deal with Microsoft for the next round of licenses. No way they will stick with Linux. It's just too fiddly, requiring way more "IT people" running around configuring Samba shares and printer drivers. And LibreOffice is many many years behind MS Office, and it'll continue to be that way. Sorry for the pessimism but this was true in 2005, in 2015, and in 2025.

My company has Linux and Windows laptop fleets. Windows requires more work and causes more pain, even though the Linux fleet is larger.

What sector and country is that? Or better, which company? How large is the company and how many Linux and Windows machines are there?

I'm also curious to know how they manage their Linux fleet?

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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Talking to my Danish friends, and I have a fair few in tech, the country is owned by Microsoft. A lot of code jobs are c# on Azure, and all the office people use Excel. This is a welcome change. I've thought for a long time, why would your average office worker even need to pay MS for their desktop OS when so many things could just be done on the web? And why develop a bunch of stuff on a proprietary platform when yo…

They don't have the capacity. The opinion you present is actually part of the narrative you are seemingly against. That you can compete with big tech if you just want to. And you "can" compete with big tech, but it isn't actually possible. Because the right pre-requisites, environment and priorities doesn't exist. Not in Europe, not in much of the US and not in much of the world. The European companies the would (or…

Quick comment regarding the "Swedish fashion wonder": It's definitely a pyramid, but I can for sure name a bunch that definitely makes more than most H&M stores. And they keep popping up, and are definitely not irrelevant.

According to ChatGPT avg revenue of H&M stores in Sweden is 5.4 MEUR. If I remember correctly from my market research (I co-founded a Swedish SaaS targeting fashion brands) there at least 100 with more revenue then that - and they're definitely making most revenue outside of Sweden. To name a few; Djerf Avenue, Filippa K, Stronger, ICIW, Peak Performance, CHIMI eyewear, Tiger of Sweden, J Lindeberg... Heck, I can even name drop a bunch doing footwear more or less only; Axel Arigato, Icebug, Björn Borg, Eytys...

But yeah, most brands are doing less. It's a pyramid. But no, Swedish fashion brands (excl H&M) are definitely not irrelevant.

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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> The other 1% are either accountants who actually use Excel for what it was made, designers, etc. I, half-jokingly, recommend firing anyone who opens Excel and hasn't entered a formula within 15 minutes. That alone would solve a lot of problems :)

At the other extreme, also fire anyone who uses Excel as an app development platform or a databse. Fire even faster if its used for something mission critical.

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Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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I wish there was a fund we could pool money into to make LibreOffice less ugly to look at. I'll happily donate to the cause.

I've switched to mainly using the onlyoffice suite (AGPL3) a few years ago for UI/UX reasons. Don't know why people act like libreoffice is the only game in town.

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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I'm no Microsoft fanboy but LibreOffice is hideous and the compatibility has not kept up even after the MS Office formats moved to xml. Also, most of my interactions with Office Documents nowadays are through the online tools. I don't even have to install a binary on my computer anymore. These enterprises should invest a fraction of what they used to spend on Microsoft Office into a development effort to modernize Li…

While LibreOffice has a ton of things that should be improved, I hope that it will never suffer a "modernization" that will make it more similar to the recent versions of MS Office. In my opinion, MS Office has been improved steadily during the decade ending in 2003/2004, then it has stagnated, then it has been degraded continuously until today. The UI of LibreOffice is ugly, but it is easy to do with it what you nee…

What I mean by modernization is to have online viewers/editors so I don't have to install a virus delivery vehicle on my computer to create and edit a document. It's not specific to LibreOffice but I'm very hesitant to install binaries on a computer nowadays. Especially ones that open user-created files. These present attack vectors for bad actors.

Also, the content creation is stuck in 2004 as well. It works perfectly fine if you're creating an IEEE-formatted research paper or similar wall of text but if you're creating something you want to give to customers or to look professional and nice, it's literally the last program you'd want to use to accomplish that. There's no nice way to say it.

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