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Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by lucianbr »

baby_souffle wrote: post #123
sltkr wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, intentionally leaking this type of data is extremely illegal under Europe's strict privacy laws. So we are limited to unintentional breaches of privacy which can be guarded against with auditing requirements. Second, you have to look at the potential damage such a leak would have on the affected porn watchers. Is it really that damaging to your reputation if someone could prove that you visited Pornhub in the…

> First, intentionally leaking this type of data is extremely illegal under Europe's strict privacy laws. Good thing we only ever have intentional leaks, then. > Is it really that damaging to your reputation if someone could prove that you visited Pornhub in the last year? LGBT individuals have killed themselves over being outed before they were ready to. I'd wager that any leak that could positively link a person to…

> I'd wager

Your willingness to wager on something proves absolutely nothing. I'd wager you woulnd't really wager anything anyway.

> my stance is "nobody gets nukes, period"

Your 100% risk-free society does not exist. You risk things every time you leave the house. Nukes already exist, and one country that gave them up saw that to be a huge mistake.

> less human-friendly governments take that as an invitation to copy, but worse

So France should not do something because other countries might do something different that would be bad? This is not a rational discussion. This argument makes zero sense.

You should not be commenting on HN because you are encouraging people to comment on forums where bullying happens and that kills.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by mdp2021 »

tonymet wrote: post #116
pishpash wrote: post #76

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"Because I say so" is a weak ass argument, no argument at all. "Because I bought it" is passive aggressive, because you do not intend to allow even if you did not buy it.

It’s not an argument, it’s a command. You’re not convincing your kids that you are right. You are reminding them of the consequences if they disagree.

> You’re not convincing your kids that you are right. You are reminding them of the consequences if they disagree

Very inadvisable. Raise them in view to being adults.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by jajko »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #85
mdp2021 wrote: post #18

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Alchool is poison. If you handle it maturely, it remains an intoxicant. Chocolate should be eaten with restraint. If you handle it maturely, it remains something not that comparable to alchool.

Right. The question is whether porn is poisonous, and many people (myself included) genuinely feel the answer is yes. Mature, responsible adults can often ration their consumption enough to avoid too many negative effects - as they do with alcohol - but even adults sometimes fail and for children it's much harder.

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Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by healsdata »

closewith wrote: post #107
callamdelaney wrote: post #66

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This is the only true solution. Parents need to take responsibility for what their kids are doing online, what they’re viewing and who they’re talking to. This generation of parents should be prepared for that but apparently not.

Okay, should bars and off licenses be able to sell alcohol to 10 year olds? Cigarettes? Should that be the responsibility of parents to control, too? Or do we continue with the long held legislative reality that you are responsible for the goods and services that you unlawfully provide to children?

Your analogy is faulty and doesn't hold up to the basic scrutiny.

Whoever is giving the child access is responsible, not the manufacturer. If a parent gives their child a device capable of accessing the internet with no restrictions, that's on the parent.

Pornhub is manufacturing a product and making it available to the open market, just like Jack Daniels. Jack Daniels has no responsibility to ensure a bar is only providing access to legal patrons.

In your analogy, the bar would be equivalent to a internet cafe or public library that has PCs available to patrons. Those types of businesses should definitely use physical IDs to verify patrons are of age.

To make your analogy work for Pornhub, you'd also have to argue "why shouldn't Jack Daniels have to put age-verifying instant blood tests on their bottles in case a parent puts one in their unlocked liquor cabinet?"

Because then the same concerns arise -- why should Jack Daniels be given access to my blood just to manufacture an age-restricted product? What will they do with it? Will they secure the data appropriately? How do I know it won't be used to negatively impact my future because my health insurance company doesn't like that I drank a bottle of JD?

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by mdp2021 »

hk1337 wrote: post #114

Maybe it just seems like a lot but it’s interesting how much shit Texas got for its age verification law when other western countries either were doing similar or pushing for similar laws. UK, Canada, France, Australia, I think I saw someone in the comments say Germany has something similar. Pornography isn’t all that healthy but so is parents not stepping up and educating their kids on sex, even if it is awkward to…

> UK, Canada, France, Australia

Many Western countries are past the limit of a damaged authority. People just listen to the legislative novelties and nod.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by JCattheATM »

lucianbr wrote: post #121
JCattheATM wrote: post #71

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It depends how solid the implementation is, and what the competency reputation of the government implementing it is.

Well, we can't refuse a system or a technology on the basis of "depends". Your physical safety when traveling anywhere by any means depends on many factors. You still leave the house, don't you? Even if you don't, most rational people do, daily.

> Well, we can't refuse a system or a technology on the basis of "depends".

Of course we can, based exactly on the dependencies. If someone has an atrocious representation, we don't need to trust the system, if they don't then it becomes more reasonable to do so.

> Your physical safety when traveling anywhere by any means depends on many factors. You still leave the house, don't you?

Not all risks are equal.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

mdp2021 wrote: post #102
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. The question is whether porn is poisonous, and many people (myself included) genuinely feel the answer is yes. Mature, responsible adults can often ration their consumption enough to avoid too many negative effects - as they do with alcohol - but even adults sometimes fail and for children it's much harder.

> is poisonous With all due, some may want to advise you to check into that. It could be that it does strange things because of the way you are wired. Please note (about similar corners) what I have already written in the page, "for some it brings a satisfaction and this is an outlet valve that reduces adverse social effects; for some it is a kindler and it will increase adverse social effects". To some it will be th…

The idea of porn as an outlet valve just sounds to me like the self-medication hypothesis for alcoholism. I have no doubt there's people who watch lots of porn and believe that it's helping them with some problem or another, but I'm more skeptical that it actually is helping and a lot more skeptical that it's so helpful as to make up for the negative consequences.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by sunshine-o »

jacob019 wrote: post #48
outside1234 wrote: post #8

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Wait what? You can't do a Paternity test in France?

Wild. What is the rationale?

Apparently to "keep the peace" and to "protect the children" but I couldn't find any good source on this.

Intuitively it seems to me this is the most counterproductive law ever as living with this doubt is the best way to destroy a family.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by healsdata »

tonymet wrote: post #73
ghusto wrote: post #17

> A more technically sound approach would be content controls directly implemented on the devices parents chose to give their children Passive aggression level 10, and I approve.

How is this passive aggression? “You’re not using porn, because I say so, and you’re not using a computer without a porn filter, because I bought it” That’s not passive aggression, that’s responsible parenting and clear boundaries.

I read it as the author being passive aggressive -- they're implying the problem is parents who, instead of learning how to manage what their children can do with electronic devices, just want the government to make bad things illegal.

But, you know, we've never been able to agree as a people on what "bad things" are. So it should be, as you said, for each parent to engage in setting boundaries and being responsible.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by manquer »

david-gpu wrote: post #51
perihelions wrote: post #44

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Empirically, there's a sizeable market of people willing to pay thousands to keep their porn viewing from becoming public. Prenda Law[0,1] was an extortion racket that blackmailed people with their porn history, and demanded in the region of $4,000 per victim. Their total revenue was at least $15 million, that the courts could find. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenda_Law [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?query=prenda

I don't doubt that it happens, but I am asking about why. What's the thinking process?

Perhaps it is less about what whether they watch , but what kind of pornography it is .

Most people aren’t not comfortable to be open about those topics. Many of the reasons would be worthy of months or years of therapy for even themselves to understand.

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