I like how it is just 1 file.
Wonder how well incremental editing works with such a big file. I keep pushing for 1 file implementations, yet people split it up into bazillion files because it works better with AI.
Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts
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Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Not software engineers being kicked out ... but rather experienced engineers using AI to generate bits of code and then meticulously reviewing and testing them. But what if you only need 2 kentonv's instead of 20 at the end? Do you assume we'll find enough new tasks that will occupy the other 18? I think that's the question. And the author is implementing a fairly technical project in this case. How about routine L…
> But what if you only need 2 kentonv's instead of 20 at the end? Do you assume we'll find enough new tasks that will occupy the other 18? I think that's the question. This is likely where all this will end up. I have doubts that AI will replace all engineers, but I have no doubt in my mind that we'll certainly need a lot less engineers. A not so dissimilar thing happened in the sysadmin world (my career) when everyt…
I think there's a huge huge space of software to build that isn't being touched today because it's not cost-effective to have an engineer build them.
But if the time it takes an engineer to build any one thing goes down, now there are a lot more things that are cost effective.
Consider niche use cases. Every company tends to have custom processes and workflows. Think about being an accountant at one company vs. another -- while a lot of the job is the same, there will always be parts that are significantly different. Those bespoke processes often involve manual labor because off-the-shelf accounting software cannot add custom features for every company.
But what if it could? What if an engineer working with AI could knock out customer-specific features 10x as fast as they could in the past. Now it actually makes sense to build those features, to improve the productivity of each company's accounting department.
It's hard to say if demand for engineers will go down or up. I'm not pretending to know for sure. But I can see a possibility that we actually have way more developers in coming years!
Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts
#133I’ve been using Claude (via Cursor) on a greenfield project for the last couple months and my observation is: 1. I am much more productive/effective 2. It’s way more cognitively demanding than writing code the old-fashioned way 3. Even over this short timespan, the tools have improved significantly, amplifying both of the points above
This mirrors my experience and those I've talked to.
LLM assisted coding is a way to get stuff done much faster, at a greatly increased mental cost / energy spent. Oddly enough.
Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts
#134I'm the author of this library! Or uhhh... the AI prompter, I guess... I'm also the lead engineer and initial creator of the Cloudflare Workers platform. -------------- Plug: This library is used as part of the Workers MCP framework. MCP is a protocol that allows you to make APIs available directly to AI agents, so that you can ask the AI to do stuff and it'll call the APIs. If you want to build a remote MCP server,…
Fancy! Why are the first twenty commits or so created in the same minute though? Surely you can’t be that fast if you need to prompt for each commit
That's weird! It must be due to a history rewrite I did later on to clean up the repo, removing some files that weren't really part of the project. I didn't realize when I first started the experiment that we'd actually end up releasing the code so I had to go back and clean it up later. I am surprised though that this messed up the timestamps -- usually rebases retain timestamps. I think I used `git filter-branch`, though. Maybe that doesn't retain timestamps.
Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts
#135Yup. I'm more skeptic than pro-AI these days, but nonetheless i'm still trying to use AI in my workflows. I don't actually enjoy it, i generally find it difficult to use as i have more trouble explaining what i want than actually just doing it. However it seems clear that this is not going away and to some degree it's "the future". I suspect it's better to learn the new tools of my craft than to be caught unaware. Wi…
Probably unrelated to the broader discussion, but I don't think the "skeptic vs pro-AI" distinction even makes that much sense. For example, I usually come off as being relatively skeptic within the HN crowd, but I'm actually pushing for more usage at work. This kind of "opinion arbitrage" is common with new technologies.
> but I don't think the "skeptic vs pro-AI" distinction even makes that much sense.
Imo it does, because it frames the underlying assumptions around your comment. Ie there was some very pro-AI folks who think it's not just going to replace everything, but already is. That's an extreme example of course.
I view it as valuable anytime there's extreme hype, party lines, etc. If you don't frame it yourself, others will and can misunderstand your comment when viewed through the wrong lens.
Not a big deal of course, but neither is putting a qualifier on a comment.
Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
> where I remain a skeptic is this constant banging-on that somehow this will translate into entirely new things - research, materials science, economies, inventions, etc - because that requires learning “in real time” from information sources you’re literally generating in that moment, not decades of Stack Overflow responses without context. Personally I hope this will materialize, at the very least because there's…
I don’t consider that “new” research, personally - because AI boosters don’t consider that “new”. The future they hype is one where these LLMs can magic up entirely new fields of research and study without human input, which isn’t how these models are trained in the first place. That said, yes, it could be highly beneficial for identifying patterns in existing research that allows for new discoveries - provided we do…
> Though I question its value to society in burning up fossil fuels, polluting the atmosphere, and draining freshwater supplies compared to doing the same work with Grad Students and Scientists with the associated societal feedback involved in said employment activities.
I'd imagine AI is much cheaper on that front than grad students, whether you count marginal contribution, or total costs of building and utilization. Humans are damn expensive and environmentally intensive to rear and keep around.
Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts
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Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts
#138If you need to be an expert to use AI tools safely, what does that say about AI tools?
Genuinely curious what your point is? Do you know how to use a ventillator? A A timing gun? A tonometer? A keratometer? Can you use all of those in a "production" setting safely without expertise?
Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts
#139On the one hand, I would expect LLMs to be able to crank out such code when prompted by skilled engineers who also understand prompting these tools correctly. OAuth isn’t new, has tons of working examples to steal as training data from public projects, and in a variety of existing languages to suit most use cases or needs. On the other hand, where I remain a skeptic is this constant banging-on that somehow this will…
> On the other hand, where I remain a skeptic is this constant banging-on that somehow this will translate into entirely new things - research, materials science, economies, inventions, etc Does it even have to be able to do so? Just the ability to speed up exploration and validation based on what a human tells it to do is already enormously useful, depending on how much you can speed up those things, and how accurat…
> Just the ability to speed up exploration and validation based on what a human tells it to do is already enormously useful, depending on how much you can speed up those things, and how accurate it can be.
The big question is: is it useful enough to justify the cost when the VC subsidies go away?
My phone recently offered me Gemini "now for free" and I thought "free for now, you mean. I better not get used to that. They should be required to call it a free trial."
Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts
#140I guess for me the questions is, at what point do you feel it would be reasonable to this without the experts involved in your case? As an edit, after reading some of the prompts, what is the likelihood that a non-expert could even come up with those prompts? The really really interesting thing would be if an AI could actually generate the prompts.
(I'm the author of this library -- or, the guy who prompted the AI at least.) I absolutely would not vibe code an OAuth implementation! Or any other production code at Cloudflare. We've been using more AI internally, but made this rule very clear: the human engineer directing the AI must fully understand and take responsibility for any code which the AI has written. I do think vibe coding can be really useful in low-…
What tools did you use for the vibe coding an Android app? And was it able to do the UI stuff too?
I've wanted to do this but am not sure how to get started. For example, should I generate a new app in Android Studio and then point Claude Code at it? Or can I ask Claude Code (or another agent) to start it from scratch? (in the past that did not work, but I'm curious if it's just a PEBKAC error)