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KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by flexagoon »

NotPractical wrote: post #130
flexagoon wrote: post #126

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Seems like you didn't actually read the linked "stop theming our apps" page. They have no issue with users theming their own systems, and gnome apps are still themable. Developers have an issue with distributions shipping a custom theme by default, which breaks things and causes users to report issues which aren't the fault of the developers.

Distributions are operated by users. They're basically just a collection of recommended packages, curated by the distribition maintainers. Why should users be prevented from sharing their preferred themes with other users, in the form of distributions? Besides, if app developers are doing their job properly as described in the parent comment, then neither user themes, nor distribution themes, should break anything.

> Why should users be prevented from sharing their preferred themes with other users, in the form of distributions?

Because when a distribution like Ubuntu ships a broken theme, and some app doesn't work as intended, users will report this to the app although it's a bug in Ubuntu.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by sph »

franga2000 wrote: post #117
sph wrote: post #99

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> Also, any integration attempts like making the icons a common asset rather than each application have their own, _fail_ and make things worse, with these integrations applications less often have working icons at all, and more often have mistakes like black icons against a black background making them invisible One thing the GNOME community got right, despite the clamour and gnashing of teeth. https://stopthemingmy…

The linked site goes against everything the Linux* platform has historically stood for and frankly just sounds like designers whining that they can't design for computers like they used to for print. I see the same fight against customization on the web, where designers keep asking for ways to, for example, override font and font size preferences, default widget styling, prevent/hijack zoom/select/search/context/what…

> The linked site goes against everything the Linux* platform has historically stood for

Nonsense. Linux is about libre software. It might be about choice, if you want. It’s not about “all software needs to let my desktop look like a clown makeup set or it’s literally 1984”

Amateur environments from the 90s let you do that, but it has nothing to do with the Linux philosophy

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by moqmar »

Vilian wrote: post #129
sph wrote: post #97

I love how 95% of the comments are about anything but the effing article. Looking forward to a new VM manager. virt-manager is what I use and it's not very maintained: it still has issues on a HiDPI screen where scaling is all messed up. GNOME Boxes is both buggy and featureless in the usual GNOME sense, haven't found much use for it. I think all the focus has been on the virsh CLI and we haven't had a decent VM GUI…

The thing is that Gnome Boxes is user a lot and it's still buggy, the KDE one is going to be less used, it would really manage to be less buggy?, let's wait and see I guess

The main problem is the bugginess in combination with the featurelessness. Usually you can work around bugs in some way or another, but many of the bugs in Boxes seem to come from the fact that control is taken away from the user in the first place, and there's no way around it except touching the source code.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by darkwater »

wkat4242 wrote: post #112
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #106

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I don't know that it's a grudge per se; people liked KDE 3, so they forked it and stayed on the working thing that they liked. Don't fix what isn't broken.

Yeah it's kinda the same thing that happened to gnome 2 though it wasn't really a fork but rather a respawn in the form of cinnamon.

I was going to reply that current MATE is more "modern" that late Gnome 2 compared to "Trinity vs KDE3", but then I went to compare screenshots and I wasn't right. But in both cases I'm amused that people can get so attached to a UI paradigm that they rather fork it and spend time and effort keeping it alive. It doesn't really click with me, but I admire the effort.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by sph »

wkat4242 wrote: post #111
sph wrote: post #99

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> Also, any integration attempts like making the icons a common asset rather than each application have their own, _fail_ and make things worse, with these integrations applications less often have working icons at all, and more often have mistakes like black icons against a black background making them invisible One thing the GNOME community got right, despite the clamour and gnashing of teeth. https://stopthemingmy…

It works pretty well for Qt apps though. They just theme the titlebar and some things like fonts. I don't want every app to have a different look or 'brand' as that page says. I want my system to be consistent.

I run KDE, and Telegram, a native Qt app, has an invisible icon if you have a dark taskbar (the default).

Theming sucks even when you keep the default look. I bet that since many Linux users use custom themes, app developers just give up and don’t even test the default combination.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by mixmastamyk »

masom wrote: post #64
bjoli wrote: post #51

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I cane back to plasma after about year of gnome. It made me realize how much I dislike gnome. There are just so many issues. Inhad to solve them with extensions, but then it broke on updates. I couldn't get it to have English as language but ISO units. I had to install an extra app to control startup applications. Fractional scaling and several displays was wonky, made screen recording impossible. My 60fps display ha…

It's really sad what happened with Gnome3. Gnome2 was a good functional desktop, sure it was copying the 2000s with windows 98/2000 style, but it worked. Hell, even OpenStep is more functional than Gnome3 as a daily computer interface. Gnome3 targeted a weird mix of incompatible devices, like a windows 8 interface, and kinda failed as a design given the devices it optimized for never took over the market. There's not…

Agreed. I gave gnome a pass for years because, well it’s largely designed for touchscreen devices right?

Fast forward to 2024 I get a Linux tablet with gnome installed (phosh) and guess what? Not a single gnome video player exists that works well with the touchscreen, and many of the apps only work by keyboard!!

We lost so much in the transition, and they didn’t even bother to nail the supposed new use case. Gnome in itself is a complete failure, so far at least. Cinnamon and Mate are decent but suffer from GTK deterioration. Phosh seems to work well enough.

I like kde these days and have it on a machine, but every time I open the context menu on konsole I get upset because there are a hundred options in there. I want a simple menu.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by pipallweek »

Karton is a welcome development—there’s definitely a gap in the Linux desktop space for a VM manager that feels native, lightweight, and user-friendly without sacrificing features. virt-manager is still functional but hasn’t kept pace with modern UX expectations, and GNOME Boxes has taken the opposite route: sleek but lacking power-user features.

KDE’s approach could strike a balance, especially if they leverage Qt's flexibility and KDE’s existing system integration. I’m cautiously optimistic—if Karton stays focused and avoids becoming bloated, it could fill a long-standing need for developers and desktop users alike. The key will be how well it handles real-world edge cases (HiDPI, GPU passthrough, multi-VM workflows, etc.).

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by wkat4242 »

anthk wrote: post #127
wkat4242 wrote: post #124

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True, and people use "k" as short for "que" a lot :)

That's beucase people it's lazy and 'k' it's reachable with a single tap/keypress with the right hand :p Don't use that on formal contexts, BTW.

I know, don't worry :) In fact most of the stuff I say to my friends would be a no-no in formal contexts. Spanish is such a colourful language. But thanks for the heads-up!

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by wkat4242 »

sph wrote: post #135
wkat4242 wrote: post #111

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It works pretty well for Qt apps though. They just theme the titlebar and some things like fonts. I don't want every app to have a different look or 'brand' as that page says. I want my system to be consistent.

I run KDE, and Telegram, a native Qt app, has an invisible icon if you have a dark taskbar (the default). Theming sucks even when you keep the default look. I bet that since many Linux users use custom themes, app developers just give up and don’t even test the default combination.

Hmm yeah but that's a problem with telegram really. The taskbar can be dark without any theming. Even the standard Breeze has a dark option. They just have to supply both versions.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by wkat4242 »

1oooqooq wrote: post #118
wkat4242 wrote: post #111

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It works pretty well for Qt apps though. They just theme the titlebar and some things like fonts. I don't want every app to have a different look or 'brand' as that page says. I want my system to be consistent.

the last version of plasma is here to prove your wrong. open the color panel and tick the option "tint window title bar with accent color"... which used to be just the window decorator title and borders. ... now some dev wanting to post screenshots on Reddit decided the accent color should be a light pastel tone that can be applied to the top elements of the qt application, bringing back the worst of gnome 2 era.

I'm pretty sure I have that option turned on. I love the accent colour option (2 years ago in the anniversary release of plasma 5 I think) but it's only recent so not all apps have incorporated it yet.

But I don't really understand what goes wrong there.

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