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Re: Just use HTML

#131

Post by uallo »

reconnecting wrote: post #129
Etheryte wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a classic case of familiarity blind spot. It's easy to think of your users as people similar to you, but that's not necessarily the case. Statistically mobile phone users outnumber non-mobile users online nearly two to one, some statistics put the estimate even higher.

This is a misleading reference to statistics without context. It's not a B2C website, and in fact, most of our audience accesses it from Linux devices rather than mobile Firefox. Anyway, even if someone does visit using mobile Firefox, it only takes one zoom-in/ zoom-out to adjust. So it's not really a webpage code issue, it's more about how Firefox renders pages on mobile devices.

> Anyway, even if someone does visit using mobile Firefox, it only takes one zoom-in/ zoom-out to adjust. So it's not really a webpage code issue, it's more about how Firefox renders pages on mobile devices.

No, it requires constant zooming and panning to be able read anything. And this has nothing to do with Firefox, Chrome and other browsers behave exactly the same. It is absolutely an issue with your website.

Re: Just use HTML

#132

Post by Etheryte »

reconnecting wrote: post #129
Etheryte wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a classic case of familiarity blind spot. It's easy to think of your users as people similar to you, but that's not necessarily the case. Statistically mobile phone users outnumber non-mobile users online nearly two to one, some statistics put the estimate even higher.

This is a misleading reference to statistics without context. It's not a B2C website, and in fact, most of our audience accesses it from Linux devices rather than mobile Firefox. Anyway, even if someone does visit using mobile Firefox, it only takes one zoom-in/ zoom-out to adjust. So it's not really a webpage code issue, it's more about how Firefox renders pages on mobile devices.

This whole interaction is weird to me. Multiple commentators here have confirmed that your site is broken due to a, let say, somewhat unorthodox technical choice you've made. Rather than fix it, which would've probably taken less time than the thread here, you're trying to convince everyone else that they're holding it wrong. As an aside, it's not surprising that nearly none of your users access your webpage from mobile when it's broken on mobile.

Re: Just use HTML

#133

Post by agos »

ffsm8 wrote: post #109
ninetyninenine wrote: post #92

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Sort of but it just builds on top of cruft. CSS and html is poorly designed to do what we are doing with it today. Like I understand the point of not building bloat. But the reason why people build bloated stuff like react is because the primitives are just raw shit. HTML and css is just really bad.

Oh? All things considered, I believe html and css are both great. Incredibly flexible and very easy to get a basic "framework" started for consistent design Everything else I've used to date (for UIs) was either extremely limited or way more complicated to use in comparison I personally feel like the only thing we're missing is a way more aggressive deprecation policy. Not actually removing the API, just clearly sign…

CSS is really great, and I've felt this way since it was introduced - but the lack of tooling around it today is anachronistic

Re: Just use HTML

#134

Post by doublerabbit »

miek wrote: post #33
Philpax wrote: post #10

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This is inherited from the websites [0][1][2][3] it was inspired by. [0]: https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ [1]: http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/ [2]: https://evenbettermotherfucking.website/ [3]: https://thebestmotherfucking.website/

and all of this reminds me of the ancient maddox.xmission.com , which.. wow he was still updating in the 2020s

He did a few YouTube videos too back when YouTube was YouTube.

Re: Just use HTML

#135

Post by reconnecting »

uallo wrote: post #131
reconnecting wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a misleading reference to statistics without context. It's not a B2C website, and in fact, most of our audience accesses it from Linux devices rather than mobile Firefox. Anyway, even if someone does visit using mobile Firefox, it only takes one zoom-in/ zoom-out to adjust. So it's not really a webpage code issue, it's more about how Firefox renders pages on mobile devices.

> Anyway, even if someone does visit using mobile Firefox, it only takes one zoom-in/ zoom-out to adjust. So it's not really a webpage code issue, it's more about how Firefox renders pages on mobile devices. No, it requires constant zooming and panning to be able read anything. And this has nothing to do with Firefox, Chrome and other browsers behave exactly the same. It is absolutely an issue with your website.

It works great [1] on my mobile device.

[1] https://www.tirreno.com/news-screenshot.jpg

Re: Just use HTML

#136

Post by 28304283409234 »

Mashimo wrote: post #105
reconnecting wrote: post #80

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The short answer: Because anyone can do this using in-line or in-file CSS. The long answer: Technologies are a blend of humans and machines. Typing HTML code by yourself, especially in 2025, gives another level of meaning and human touch. It's more like modern art in some way.

Might be art, might be fun. But you also claimed it's easy to update. But now you have to write every time you create another one of those elements. And if you want to change the font you would need to search and replace in different .html files. It does not seem easy to update.

Easy as in 'you do not need to shave a yack, just open a text editor'. As opposed to "install node, sass, webpack, vuex, tailwind" or what have you nowadays.

I like that. Few or no dependencies.

Re: Just use HTML

#138

Post by reconnecting »

Etheryte wrote: post #132
reconnecting wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a misleading reference to statistics without context. It's not a B2C website, and in fact, most of our audience accesses it from Linux devices rather than mobile Firefox. Anyway, even if someone does visit using mobile Firefox, it only takes one zoom-in/ zoom-out to adjust. So it's not really a webpage code issue, it's more about how Firefox renders pages on mobile devices.

This whole interaction is weird to me. Multiple commentators here have confirmed that your site is broken due to a, let say, somewhat unorthodox technical choice you've made. Rather than fix it, which would've probably taken less time than the thread here, you're trying to convince everyone else that they're holding it wrong. As an aside, it's not surprising that nearly none of your users access your webpage from mob…

Likewise. It works great on all [1] my mobile devices.

[1] https://www.tirreno.com/news-phone.jpg

Re: Just use HTML

#139

Post by wartijn_ »

28304283409234 wrote: post #136
Mashimo wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might be art, might be fun. But you also claimed it's easy to update. But now you have to write every time you create another one of those elements. And if you want to change the font you would need to search and replace in different .html files. It does not seem easy to update.

Easy as in 'you do not need to shave a yack, just open a text editor'. As opposed to "install node, sass, webpack, vuex, tailwind" or what have you nowadays. I like that. Few or no dependencies.

But the same can be achieved by using css. Then there's still nothing to install, and it's still something you can change by just opening a text editor. Plus it would be easy to update in the sense your parent poster meant. And with css you're using the right tools to style your website, so you won't have people complaining the website isn't working well on mobile, although you thought it would be.

I'm all for using simple tools and web standards, but this website with its layout build with tables is a terrible example.

Re: Just use HTML

#140

Post by reconnecting »

wartijn_ wrote: post #139
28304283409234 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy as in 'you do not need to shave a yack, just open a text editor'. As opposed to "install node, sass, webpack, vuex, tailwind" or what have you nowadays. I like that. Few or no dependencies.

But the same can be achieved by using css. Then there's still nothing to install, and it's still something you can change by just opening a text editor. Plus it would be easy to update in the sense your parent poster meant. And with css you're using the right tools to style your website, so you won't have people complaining the website isn't working well on mobile, although you thought it would be. I'm all for using…

Just for fun, I tried opening the tirreno website on the first iPhone now, and it works as it should.

However, it must be clear that no one expects this website to be taken as an example. Back in the day, there was no other solution than using tables and 1px gif spacing, this is just a reminder of how things were at the beginning.

It’s like seeing neon gas advertising and insisting it should be made with a flat screen display. In this case, it’s our way of bringing back neon to the web.

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