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Why do you say stealing, it’s open source.
A community-led fork of Organic Maps
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Re: A community-led fork of Organic Maps
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You need both: the map data (OSM project), and software for viewing/using it. Ideally any app using OSM data would enable contributing to the underlaying map data. But that's probably not how it works. For what it's worth: I like Organic Maps for being more lightweight, quicker rendering & simpler configuration than OSMand. But it (still? haven't used in a while) does lack some useful features like points of interest…
> For what it's worth: I like Organic Maps for being more lightweight, quicker rendering & simpler configuration than OSMand. But it (still? haven't used in a while) does lack some useful features like points of interest (supermarkets, gas stations & such). Am I misinterpreting something? This is because of the underlying OSM data. So one should add these places to OSM so downstream apps will show the places you want…
It it not just because of underlying OSM data.
Navigation apps such as OrganicMaps and OsmAnd filter OSM data, and package it in way that takes up less space. I.e., it will omit individual trees, manholes, etc. It also omits tags from OSM objects that it does keep.
This is all to to make it possible to fit enough maps on a phone and also there have code that can use that data (for searching and displaying)
Take for example Motorhome stopovers (I have edited at lot of those). OsmAnd has name, opening, hours, power_supply, fees, dump_stations, toilets, showers, phone numbers, website, and a few more tags. But not water_point (although it has drinking_water which is not used much for stopovers).
OrganicMap has much fewer tags for motorhome stopovers.
Re: A community-led fork of Organic Maps
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Out of interest, can you share more accurate start/end points?
Farbhof => Altstadt. Example: https://mapy.com/en/zakladni?planovani-trasy&rc=98FWsxKe1G98...
Thanks - that's really interesting. Which route would you personally recommend?
(My interest is that I run cycle.travel, which currently finds this route: https://cycle.travel/map?from=&to=&fromLL=47.390987,8.478737... . I'm not entirely happy with it in this case though - for example, it's not routing onto the cycle path south of the railway on Aargauerstrasse, I think perhaps some of the paths leading onto/off it are rather fussily mapped.)
Re: A community-led fork of Organic Maps
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Why do you say stealing, it’s open source.
Well, the code still belongs to the author, who was paid by the Organic company. It is not even merged and the DCO is not signed. Even legally, there are questions here, not to mention the "high community principles".
The changes have been committed and pushed to a branch of the main (Apache-licensed) repo, with the clear intention of eventually being merged into the main branch. So it’s hard to argue the code isn’t published under the same licence as everything else. Still, I think they should have created their own website.
Re: A community-led fork of Organic Maps
#136Something I often wonder about forks, just as good practice... Is anyone from the Organic Maps and OSM contributor communities familiar with the people forking this, and can vouch for their intentions and the necessity of forking? How do we get confidence in that?
Most of the activity is public, so look at the usernames of the fork leaders vs their activity on the upstream project... It's most of the recent top contributors who've been around for a long time and made their perspectives pretty clear.
Good point. I wonder whether it would be good for forks to come with a page that makes a case for the legitimacy of the fork and who will be controlling it and/or setting the founding rules for the governance. With links back to supporting raw evidence in repos and forums, so people can verify.
The thing being forked could also respond to these clear assertion, which could be a check against confusing forks that are bad-faith, ill-conceived, not necessarily aligned, etc.
(Of course, when I hear of a fork, I instantly assume that there was probably a good reason, and there usually is, but always assuming that is a mistake, which exposes us another way to bad actor risk.)
Re: A community-led fork of Organic Maps
#137The concern seems to be they want a bunch of guarantees about what will be done with the project - not because there is a change happening from Organic, but because they're afraid of a change happening in the future . If such a change happens in the future, they can fork then. I mean, hell, this already happened; they had Maps.ME, it was sold, Roman forked it to Organic. If it gets sold again they can fork again. Thi…
So, I guess that’s a pretty awesome business plan. Establish some open source entity, let the community develop everything for you, sell the entity, then fork it, let the community develop everything for you, sell again, then fork it, let the community …
Re: A community-led fork of Organic Maps
#138funny, I had to abandon open maps,yesterday, for a fork, as they no longer have an english language version, that used to be hidden under "tranport",which is now reduced to purple and green andessentialy no map info.
Re: A community-led fork of Organic Maps
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
OSM-the-database needs a general public app where contribution is possible to finally be popular. Organic was seen by many as this app, despite its specific choices like being offline. Contributing to this app is hence very important for OSM to exist given Google & Apple Maps.
Option to contribute & offline-first is not mutually exclusive: Use map data offline, user makes a correction/addition, upload that when app has internet access.
In fact, Organic already works like that.
Re: A community-led fork of Organic Maps
#140The concern seems to be they want a bunch of guarantees about what will be done with the project - not because there is a change happening from Organic, but because they're afraid of a change happening in the future . If such a change happens in the future, they can fork then. I mean, hell, this already happened; they had Maps.ME, it was sold, Roman forked it to Organic. If it gets sold again they can fork again. Thi…
this appears to be an offshoot of the hidden MIT code snafu from a bit back