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Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by guappa »

richardw wrote: post #41
tkzed49 wrote: post #14

The problem is that this is $100/mo with limits. At work I use Cursor, which is pretty good (especially tab completion), and at home I use Copilot in vscode insiders build, which is catching up to Cursor IMO. However, as long as Microsoft is offering copilot at (presumably subsidized) $10/mo, I'm not interested in paying 10x as much and still having limits. It would have to be 10x as useful, and I doubt that.

Whoever is paying for your time should calculate how much time you’d save between the different products. The actual product price comparison isn’t as important as the impact on output quality and time taken. Could be $1000 a month and still pay for itself in a day, if it generated >$1000 extra value. This might mean the $10/month is the best. Depends entirely on how it works for you. (Caps obviously impact the total…

C-suites love to pretend they can do and indeed do these calculations.

They don't. They toss a coin.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by PeterStuer »

Tbh, for these types of systems I do not like the rate limiting at all. I might go days without a need, then folowed by a day of very intense usage.

Also, the 'reputation grind' some of these systems set up where you have to climb 'usage Tiers' before being 'allowed' to use more? Just let me pay and use. I can't compare your system to my current provider before weeks of being throttled at unusable rates? This makes potentially switching to you for serious users way harder than it should be. Is that realy the outcome you want? And no, I am not willing to 'talk to sales' for running a quick feasibilty eval.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by PeterStuer »

F7F7F7 wrote: post #31
warp wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need a max subscription to use Claude Code. By default it uses your API credits, and I guess I'm not a heavy AI user yet (for my hobby projects), but I haven't spent more than $5/month on Claude Code the past few months.

I burned $30 in Claude Code in just under an hour. I was equally frustrated and impressed. So much so I ended up a $200 MAX subscriber.

Can I assume you are still running into rate limits?

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by PeterStuer »

Aurornis wrote: post #53
tkzed49 wrote: post #14

The problem is that this is $100/mo with limits. At work I use Cursor, which is pretty good (especially tab completion), and at home I use Copilot in vscode insiders build, which is catching up to Cursor IMO. However, as long as Microsoft is offering copilot at (presumably subsidized) $10/mo, I'm not interested in paying 10x as much and still having limits. It would have to be 10x as useful, and I doubt that.

> The problem is that this is $100/mo with limits Limits are a given on any plan. It would be too easy for a vibe coder to hammer away 8 hours a day for 20 days a week if there was nothing stopping them. The real question is whether this is a better value than pay as you go for some people.

What's the problem if you aren't selling the service as a loss leader and that 'vibe coder' is paying into their account upfront?

Only reason I can see is you're lacking agregate capacity and are unwilling or unable to build out faster. Is that the case?

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by satvikpendem »

ramoz wrote: post #106
edoceo wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Produce working code faster => ship faster => paid faster? That's the valu-prop right? So, naturally the $JOB will cover the bill.

something like that. Think "paid more" as well

So just for work then or personal projects too? For work I can understand but for personal projects I haven't necessarily gotten more success out of AI than my own code, to be honest.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by mellosouls »

asaddhamani wrote: post #113
tkzed49 wrote: post #14

The problem is that this is $100/mo with limits. At work I use Cursor, which is pretty good (especially tab completion), and at home I use Copilot in vscode insiders build, which is catching up to Cursor IMO. However, as long as Microsoft is offering copilot at (presumably subsidized) $10/mo, I'm not interested in paying 10x as much and still having limits. It would have to be 10x as useful, and I doubt that.

I don’t know why people expect unlimited usage for limited cost. Copilot hasn’t been good for a long time. They had the first mover advantage but they were too slow to improve the product. It’s still not caught up to cursor or windsurf. Cline leaves it so far in the dust it’s like a decade behind in AI years. So you get what you pay for. Claude is still the gold standard for AI assisted coding. All your Geminis and o…

I agree with much of your post, but:

Claude is still the gold standard for AI assisted coding. All your Geminis and o3s of the world still don’t match up to Claude.

Out of date I think in this fast moving space.

Sonnet has long been the gold-standard, but that position is looking very shaky at the moment; Gemini in particular has been working wonders for me and others when Sonnet has stumbled.

VS Code/Copilot has improved massively in Cursor's wake, but yes, still some way to go to catch up.

Absolutely though - the value we are getting is incredible.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by PeterStuer »

lkbm wrote: post #57
pier25 wrote: post #49

$200/month? Do people really get that much value from these tools? I use Github's Copilot for $10 and I'm somewhat happy for what I get... but paying 10x or 20x that just seems insane.

If your employer spends $20k a month on you (salary + everything else), $200 a month breaks even at around a 1% boost in productivity.

You have to set of your cost delta against your margin, not agaist your cost. Why do devs keep repeating this faulty reasoning? Where did this emerge?

If you cost 20K a month at a 5% average margin, the required ' break even' for a $200 cost increase is 20% not 1% increased productivity.

And it gets worse as you just assumed that increased 'productivity' 100% was converted back into extra margin, which is not obvious at all.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by DonHopkins »

htrp wrote: post #56
Aurornis wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem is that this is $100/mo with limits Limits are a given on any plan. It would be too easy for a vibe coder to hammer away 8 hours a day for 20 days a week if there was nothing stopping them. The real question is whether this is a better value than pay as you go for some people.

> 8 hours a day for 20 days a week Your vibe coders are on a different dimension than mine.

Wow, and I thought the Beatles were exaggerating how long a week was!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kle2xHhRHg4

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by jarym »

I cancelled my Claude subscription. I was happily using it for months - asking it the odd question or sometimes having longer discussions to talk through an idea.

Then one day I got nagged to upgrade or wait a few hours. I was pretty annoyed, I didn’t regard my usage as high and felt like a squeeze.

I cancelled my pro plan and now happily using Gemini which costs nothing. These AI companies are still finding their feet commercially!

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