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Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by _bin_ »

Sol- wrote: post #32

Comes with a free US government backdoor to all of the foreign citizens' data and AI usage. Though of course this is already the status quo for all US companies abroad, so you have to give props to OpenAI for spelling it out explicitly: Give up what remains of your digital sovereignty to the US government and you get a small piece of the AGI pie.

The pattern for basically every small nation is "choose of which superpower you wish to be a client." From that patron you get some level of benefit. Not aligning with any either doesn't work (you get attacked) or means you get no benefit (and eventually get pushed into obscurity and instability.)

You can make a lot of complaints about America but we have, looking back on history, been nicer than any other patron. Other good evidence includes the fact that europe is still standing (paying to rebuild) and her extravagant welfare states of the past decades, subsidized largely by American defense spending.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by wqaatwt »

mminer237 wrote: post #80
whaleofatw2022 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will dare say, it's a question of what happens to Mario's brother. Jury nullification in that is the best message that could be sent to the populace.

I'm pretty sure giving everyone the belief that they can murder with impunity as long as the victim is undesirable enough would be the absolute worst thing that could happen right now.

The fact that such behavior might become acceptable (at least amongst a significant section of society) indicates a systemic failure in the socio-economic system. IMHO its more a of symptom. Like labor and anarchist related political violence back in the first Gilded Age back in the late 1800s.

Massively increasing inequality and giving too much political power to corporate robber barons has its costs. If nobody is willing to keep them in check the appearance of some sort of “vigilantism” seems hard to avoid. Not implying that its a good thing or that political violence really ever led to positive change historically..

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by wqaatwt »

zmgsabst wrote: post #126
slg wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the dystopian traits I was hinting at in my original comment is the acceptance of mass murder as long as it occurs in the boardroom and nets an extra few cents for the shareholders. I won't defend or justify what "Mario's brother" supposedly did, but he has inflicted much less pain and death on the world than the man he is accused of shooting and I don't really think there is any room to debate that.

This is precisely why as a law-and-order type, I don’t care about this particular incident. A rookie gangster shot a high-tier gangster — why is that a me problem? Gang-on-gang violence is a daily occurrence.

Hypothetically if laws lose their legitimacy because nobody is willing to enforce them (at least some people have that perception) and the political system is designed in such a way as to make any meaningful change near impossible what is there left to do?

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by cube00 »

tedivm wrote: post #88
gooob wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm wondering what's going to happen when AI tells us to stop pursuing "economic growth" and instead seek "health and sustainability"

They'll train a new version to fix the problem.

The eternal AI hype excuse, the next model will fix that, now we're seeing new models hallucinating more then ever.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by paradite »

I'm getting so much sci-fi vibes from this post.

I've read so many sci-fi stories where big tech corporations have similar control over people as countries. Now we are actually heading there.

I'm both excited and a bit worried about the future.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by delusional »

_bin_ wrote: post #131
Sol- wrote: post #32

Comes with a free US government backdoor to all of the foreign citizens' data and AI usage. Though of course this is already the status quo for all US companies abroad, so you have to give props to OpenAI for spelling it out explicitly: Give up what remains of your digital sovereignty to the US government and you get a small piece of the AGI pie.

The pattern for basically every small nation is "choose of which superpower you wish to be a client." From that patron you get some level of benefit. Not aligning with any either doesn't work (you get attacked) or means you get no benefit (and eventually get pushed into obscurity and instability.) You can make a lot of complaints about America but we have, looking back on history, been nicer than any other patron. Ot…

I agree with most of what you said. America has been a great ally, mostly by allowing her allies to flourish independently of herself. The US did whatever she wanted to do, and so did her allies. This was a great benefit to all involved.

> subsidized largely by American defense spending.

This part is in my opinion ahistoric. US wars have not been popular in Europe. We did not want a war in Afghanistan or Iraq, we supported an ally calling for defense from terror. American war machine spending is rooted in her own desire for hard power, not pleas from her allies.

All of this is coming to an end. Not because the US is retracting. I think most of the west would accept a more nationally interested US, but because the US is starting to see her allies as vassals that she should control. She is realigning as a traditional power, like the USSR.

We are not vassals, we are independent nations seeking our own happiness.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by easygenes »

kiernanmcgowan wrote: post #8

> We want to help these countries, and in the process, spread democratic AI I'm reading this in the same voice as Helldivers 2 "managed democracy"

Super-Earth Defense Ministry Broadcast: Special Bulletin

https://chatgpt.com/share/681c31e8-67f8-8011-a4b0-2bed9d4da7...

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