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Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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Mistral really became what all the other over-hyped EU AI start-ups / collectives (Stability, Eleuther, Aleph Alpha, Nyonic, possibly Black Forest Labs, government-funded collaborations, ...) failed to achieve, although many of them existed way before Mistral. Congrats to them, great work.

I’m wondering why. More funding, better talent, strategy, or something else?

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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How do you determine peak memory usage? Just look at activity monitor? I've yet to find a good overview of how much memory each model needs for different context lengths (other than back of the envelope #weights * bits). LM Studio warns you if a model will likely not fit, but it's not very exact.

MLX reports peak memory usage at the end of the response. Otherwise I'll use Activity Monitor.

I'm also trusting `get_peak_memory` + some small buffer for now.

Still, it reports accurate peak memory usage for tensors living on GPU, but seems to miss some of the non-Metal overhead, however small (https://github.com/aukejw/mlx_transformers_benchmark/issues/...).

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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Mistral isn't really Europe, it's France. Europe has some plans but as far as I can tell their goal isn't to make something that can really compete. The goal is to make EU data stay in the EU for businesses, meanwhile every user that is not forced by their company sends their data to the US or China.

Last I checked France is in Europe. It would be like saying Google or Apple are not American because they are in California.

The big picture incongruence in the thread is using terms as patriotic, allegories to US states, which imo is but a US-centric projection. Even proponents don’t think of the EU to be a supreme government with federated states, and they certainly don’t think of ”Europeans” as a unified demographic. At best, the EU protects against stupid shit from other EU countries (tariffs, freedom of movement) and stupid shit against the outside, such as bullying by superpowers like Russia, China and recently also the US, or extremely large corporations who can take on smaller nation states.

The EU is more similar to NAFTA or five eyes, and culturally the loyalty is more similar to the US vs the anglosphere, like how Americans think of Australia, UK and Canada. Well, again, until recently. Things are changing fast.

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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While I am rooting for Mistral, having access to a diverse set of models is the killer app IMHO. Sometimes you want to code. Sometimes you want to write. Not all models are made equal.

Same here. Since I started using LLMs a bit more, the killer step for me was to set up API access to a variety of providers (Mistral, Anthropic, Gemini, OpenAI), and use a unified client to access them. I'm usually coding at the CLI, so I installed 'aichat' from github and it does an amazing job. Switch models on the fly, switch between one-shot and session mode, log everything locally for later access, and ask casual questions with a single quick command.

I think all providers guarantee that they will not use your API inputs for training, it's meant as the pro version after all.

Plus it's dirt cheap, I query them several times per day, with access to high end thinking models, and pay just a few € per month.

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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Couldn't you could place a very light weight model in front to figure out which model to use?

That’s a perfectly valid idea in theory, but in practice you’ll run into a few painful trade-offs, especially in multi-user environments. Trust me, I'm currently doing exactly that in our fairly limited exploration of how we can leverage local LLMs at work (SME). Unless you have sufficient VRAM to keep all potential specialized models loaded simultaneously (which negates some of the "lightweight" benefit for the over…

Have you looked into semantic router? It will be a faster way to look up the right model for the right task. I agree that using a llm for routing is not good, takes money, takes time, and can often take the wrong route.

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Simon, can you recommend some small models that would be usable for coding on a standard M4 Mac Mini (only 16G ram) ?

Strange idea, but if I'd like to set up a solid LLM for use in my home network, how much processing power would I need for a multi-purpose model? A Raspberry Pi? And old ThinkPad? A fully speced-out latest gen Macbook? edit: One of those old Mac Pros?

That’s what I tried initially, an old black tin can Mac Pro, but it couldn’t do it. Next splashed on an m2 ultra 64gb mpro, runs ollama with qwen3 32b - reverse shell into the localhost with open web-ui and automatic111 and voila AI on my home network

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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post #131

Mistral really became what all the other over-hyped EU AI start-ups / collectives (Stability, Eleuther, Aleph Alpha, Nyonic, possibly Black Forest Labs, government-funded collaborations, ...) failed to achieve, although many of them existed way before Mistral. Congrats to them, great work.

I’m wondering why. More funding, better talent, strategy, or something else?

i'm an outsider but none of the startups mentioned above ever came to my ears. Mistral suddenly popped after openai/anthropic exploded, and they were rapidly described as the 3rd contender, with emphasis on technical merit. Maybe i was fooled though.

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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While I am rooting for Mistral, having access to a diverse set of models is the killer app IMHO. Sometimes you want to code. Sometimes you want to write. Not all models are made equal.

Same here. Since I started using LLMs a bit more, the killer step for me was to set up API access to a variety of providers (Mistral, Anthropic, Gemini, OpenAI), and use a unified client to access them. I'm usually coding at the CLI, so I installed 'aichat' from github and it does an amazing job. Switch models on the fly, switch between one-shot and session mode, log everything locally for later access, and ask casua…

Gemini's free tier will absolutely use your inputs for training [1], same with Mistral's free tier [2]. Anthropic and OpenAI let's you opt into data collection for discounted prices or free tokens.

[1]: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/terms#data-use-unpaid

[2]: https://mistral.ai/terms#privacy-policy

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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I’m wondering why. More funding, better talent, strategy, or something else?

i'm an outsider but none of the startups mentioned above ever came to my ears. Mistral suddenly popped after openai/anthropic exploded, and they were rapidly described as the 3rd contender, with emphasis on technical merit. Maybe i was fooled though.

Black Forest Labs are the makers of FLUX, which for a while was the best open image model available (and generally a pretty strong image model). That said, now with a wave of Chinese models and the advent of autoregressive image models, I'm not sure how much that will stay true.
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