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Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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If they refuse to comply, why don't we just... arrest them? Like, you know, we do for someone who was poor and starving and stole 10$ of food?

You can’t arrest a fictitious person.

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Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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About time. I'm tired of apologizing to customers who purchase subscriptions in my app only to discover they could have purchased the exact the same thing from my website for 15% less. "Why didn't you tell me?" Excerpt from the filing: "In stark contrast to Apple’s initial in-court testimony, contemporaneous business documents reveal that Apple knew exactly what it was doing and at every turn chose the most anticompe…

Will Walmart let you have a label on your product saying you could get it cheaper from Amazon?

Will walmart open your packaging, review all text in the manual, and tell you that you need to reprint your manual because it has a link to your homepage "company.com" and on that page you can find a pricing page with lower prices?

Will walmart prevent you from selling, say, a fishing pole that allows you to buy fishing hooks from another store?

Apple's app-store review would reject any app that linked the company pricing page, and would reject any app that let you use an alternative payment method like paypal or a credit card on a non-apple site.

Also, in your analogy the customer has to be unable to buy your app from anywhere else (since the customer has an iPhone and there are no other stores or operating systems for iPhone)..

It really doesn't work as a good comparison imo.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Generally none, the DA must choose to pursue perjury charges, which basically never happens. In reality, nearly everyone commits perjury. Thomas More would not approve. Both versions (1966 and 1988) of A Man For All Seasons are highly worth watching several times and practically memorizing. "Would you benefit England by populating her with liars ?" [edit] in retrospect, there is one inescapable consequence of lying u…

Oh no, my word means nothing to honest people. Boards private jet to Monaco

Yet these superrich people crave respect so much that they endlessly poast on social networks, or buy a social network.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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I thought Apple's argument was that the 30% pays for iOS itself, not that the 30% pays for the App Store. Under that theory there's no reason to allow other app stores.

this would be a silly argument - surely the customers buying the devices should be paying directly for the operating system?

They used to do that back when the iPhone first came out. I don’t think anybody liked that better, and having people hang around on older iOS versions was (and still is) bad for security.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Want something even more evil? I got you. When saurik sued Apple for antitrust reasons over Cydia[1] (which sadly ended up going nowhere), at some point a hearing was held where his lawyer accidentally read out something that was supposed to be protected/sealed. Apple's lawyer quickly interjected, but what saurik's attorney got to read before ended up in the official transcript[2], and it's straight up disgusting. Fr…

FWIW, the lawsuit went pretty far--all the way to an appeals court--but failed on what was ostensibly a statute of limitations issue that made very little sense and feels wrong :/. I still intend to write a giant article about it at some point, and probably do a long interview / lamentation about it on t3dotgg's YouTube channel... it just has felt so difficult to approach as the whole thing was so upsetting :(.

Hey! I should have phrased that differently, sorry! I actually followed the lawsuit as it was progressing, even listening to the oral arguments as soon as they were uploaded to the Ninth Circuit's YT channel. Such a shame...

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Unless the fine is the better part of a trillion dollars, it won’t make any difference. Apple has close to 1/2 trillion in revenue a year. A few billion is rounding error.

Or toss Tim Apple in the huscow for contempt.

Hoosegow?

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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The heart of Apple's hypocrisy is this: they claim their 30% is necessary to support the developer ecosystem and fund its operations. But of course if that were true, they could easily charge a high enough platform membership fee directly to developers. Instead they opt for a structural tax to cover what are mostly completely opaque and secret operational costs. They're opaque and secret for obvious reasons: those ex…

The math of a one time fee is different than a percentage. Not sure what you are getting at by presenting a business model that doesn’t make sense as an argument

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Will Walmart let you have a label on your product saying you could get it cheaper from Amazon?

Will walmart open your packaging, review all text in the manual, and tell you that you need to reprint your manual because it has a link to your homepage "company.com" and on that page you can find a pricing page with lower prices? Will walmart prevent you from selling, say, a fishing pole that allows you to buy fishing hooks from another store? Apple's app-store review would reject any app that linked the company pr…

The parent poster just said that customers can pay on his website so I’m assuming it’s a service surfaced by his app.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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once again will ask why iPhones are treated any differently from other computing devices — we need legislative solutions that allow consumers to load software (or even other operating systems) on any computing device they own. restricting software distribution on any platform under the guise of needing to be kept “secure” always seemed anticompetitive to me - that should apply regardless of Apple’s particular behavio…

> once again will ask why iPhones are treated any differently from other computing devices And then you immediately state a way they should be treated differently (worse).

can you expand on what you find worse about the concept of having full access to any computer you own?
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