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Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by doctorpangloss »

timewizard wrote: post #110
mperham wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The funny thing is that I've owned Gen 3 FSD for five years now and only in the last few months has it gotten noticeably better. It's actually respectable at driving around my city now, can handle roundabouts, make turns, etc.

The funny thing is that a nearly perfect template of your comment appears on nearly every post which includes a criticism of FSD. It's always magically "just recently got better!" As well as "being able to do some selected basic driving despite being called FULL self drive."

Well that’s what people pay for when they buy a Tesla. The holistic experience of self driving. Somebody who pays for self driving alone pays Waymos.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by nxm »

klipt wrote: post #84
enahs-sf wrote: post #75

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Tesla has minted a fortune on broken promises and vaporware. As someone who purchased FSD, would be glad to see them lose their shirts on this one.

Sadly the US is quite corrupt, so I wouldn't bet against the car company whose CEO has a close personal relationship with the US president.

Unlike China, right?

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by smt88 »

porphyra wrote: post #112
dyauspitr wrote: post #95

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Tesla is going nowhere without LiDAR.

O3 can now play geoguessr better than master level human players. It can also beat master level Codeforces competitive programmers. I wouldn't discount the ability of AI to make sense of images far better than humans possibly could, all the while beating them at logical thinking, especially in a restricted domain like driving.

AI can't make cameras see in the dark. LIDAR produces light, so it doesn't matter if there isn't enough of it in a particular environment.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by sidibe »

xyst wrote: post #119

Anything Toyota latches themselves to eventually dies. Toyota and hybrid vehicles - very weak entry into the market Toyota and hydrogen powered vehicles - dead on arrival Toyota’s failure to electrify fleet Now they want autonomous vehicles? Wonder who backs out first? Waymo or Toyota once they realize what a joke Toyota is. Well at least they are not collaborating with Nissan.

Best selling company year after year. Hybrids are growing faster than EVs.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by sorcerer-mar »

DecentShoes wrote: post #120
dyauspitr wrote: post #95

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Tesla is going nowhere without LiDAR.

I strongly disagree. Go look at the videos of the current iteration of FSD.

Yes, then read this article: https://www.jalopnik.com/teslas-fsd-is-biased-towards-influe...

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by janalsncm »

porphyra wrote: post #112
dyauspitr wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is going nowhere without LiDAR.

O3 can now play geoguessr better than master level human players. It can also beat master level Codeforces competitive programmers. I wouldn't discount the ability of AI to make sense of images far better than humans possibly could, all the while beating them at logical thinking, especially in a restricted domain like driving.

AI isn’t magic. If there isn’t enough information in the inputs, you can’t expect reliable results. It’s the same principle in all of software: garbage in, garbage out.

If there simply isn’t enough visual information, vision-only will fail.

https://youtu.be/IQJL3htsDyQ

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by [deleted] »

moeadham wrote: post #99
mperham wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The funny thing is that I've owned Gen 3 FSD for five years now and only in the last few months has it gotten noticeably better. It's actually respectable at driving around my city now, can handle roundabouts, make turns, etc.

lol the bar is so low

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Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by klipt »

nxm wrote: post #132
klipt wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly the US is quite corrupt, so I wouldn't bet against the car company whose CEO has a close personal relationship with the US president.

Unlike China, right?

Toyota is Chinese now?

I'm just saying that out of two American companies, Waymo and Tesla, Tesla is more likely to benefit from government favors.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by hightrix »

xyst wrote: post #119

Anything Toyota latches themselves to eventually dies. Toyota and hybrid vehicles - very weak entry into the market Toyota and hydrogen powered vehicles - dead on arrival Toyota’s failure to electrify fleet Now they want autonomous vehicles? Wonder who backs out first? Waymo or Toyota once they realize what a joke Toyota is. Well at least they are not collaborating with Nissan.

> Toyota and hybrid vehicles - very weak entry into the market

This statement doesn't seem to track with reality. The Prius was one of the first major hyrbids and it sold like hotcakes. You see them everywhere. Their current offerings include more hybrids than ever, in fact it seems a majority of their vehicles have a hyrbid option today, including the Tacoma and Tundra.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by scarface_74 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #61
chipgap98 wrote: post #49

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Uber is acting as an aggregator for all types of rides. Customers have the direct relationship with Uber. Unless Waymo completely runs away with autonomous driving then I think Uber has a lot of leverage.

Waymo has shown itself more than capable of going D2C [1]. It’s actually the one case where Google’s customer service beats the competition’s. Waymo customer service is still somewhat trash. But you need it so infrequently compared with Uber, and Uber and Lyft somehow manage to make Google look like a people company, that I find myself almost exclusively taking Waymo when I’m in a city where it is an option. (Via the…

Wow one whole city of tech bros? I was able to get an Uber in Manuel Antonio Costa Rica coming from an airport whose terminal is literally a hut (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quepos_La_Managua_Airport).

There is a reason even taxi companies are now partnering with Uber in places like DC.

I travel a lot between business (not as much now) and personally. I know I can land in any airport domestically and most airports internationally and can get a ride on Uber and with surge pricing someone will usually pick me up.

It isn’t financially viable to have enough Waymo cars on the road that will be able to handle peak demand and just sit there during low demand.

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