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Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by Suppafly »

nonameiguess wrote: post #127
skrebbel wrote: post #101

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The idea of a bar (ie a place people go to get drunk) with a dedicated parking lot strikes me as particularly bad for road safety. I'm baffled that this is not only encouraged, but mandated. How do people do this in practice? Just drink and drive and hope they don't crash / get fined? Or does everybody bring 1 friend who sips colas the whole night?

Parking lots are not mandated for bars in the US, at least not everywhere. I helped my girlfriend's dad open a bar in Long Beach 20 years ago. The city required us to pay for the maintenance of three streetside parking spaces, but that was it. Pay the city. We didn't have to build anything that didn't already exist.

>Parking lots are not mandated for bars in the US, at least not everywhere.

This, they are making the mistake that all the people on /r/askamerican do over on reddit. Laws like this mostly aren't nationwide or even statewide, they are decided on a very local level.

Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by ToValueFunfetti »

codemac wrote: post #45
lifthrasiir wrote: post #16

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That country has a population of 52 million, i.e. about 5 times Ohio.

Sure, but Ohio has ~4200 bars[0]. Which is roughly 1/4 the ratio of bars to people. [0]: https://rentechdigital.com/smartscraper/business-report-deta...

This is also upper-bounded by the law; Ohio only issues one class D-5 liquor license (license to sell beer, wine, and spirits) per 2000 residents, which roughly maxes it out at ~5950 bars (in practice this looks to be rounded up on a per-town basis, making this an underestimate). An Ohio with the population of South Korea would only be allowed ~25000 bars.

Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by xmprt »

Suppafly wrote: post #129
Akronymus wrote: post #81

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A minimum amount of parking spots per patron capacity. So a bar with 60 people capacity must have 15 parking spaces. [0] Usually parking minimums are WAY too high in required parking spaces to make sense in most cases. Which leads to stuff like a arena having 5x the land area be parking than what is taken up by the arena itself. [1] 0: https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/harrison/latest/harris... (this is for harri…

>Usually parking minimums are WAY too high in required parking spaces to make sense in most cases. That hasn't been my experience. Anytime I've wanted to go somewhere halfway popular the lot is usually full or nearly full. On the flipside, the lots are often empty during times when the business is closed, but reducing the size of the lot would exacerbate the issue of not being able to park nearby when the business is…

> You aren't going to stop the US from being car centric

I think this isn't true. The same way suburbia spread out from cities, I think walkability can spread outwards too in baby steps.

For example, SF is relatively walkable/has public transit. The next step would be slowly removing parking minimums and making the areas surrounding SF more walkable. And then over time as people in those surrounding areas start using their cars less (not getting rid of them but at least trying to do short journeys on foot/bike/transit).

Over time that spreads outwards because half the community served by an area no longer needs a car for their daily travel and the envelope of walkability spreads further.

Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by [deleted] »

marcellus23 wrote: post #123
nurettin wrote: post #85

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But they are so far apart and move on roughly the same trajectory that it shouldn't really matter.

That's not true. The tour is 16.2 billion light years long, so even at the speed of light, it would take more than the current age of the universe to travel. Stars will move a lot over that period of time.

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Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by nurettin »

marcellus23 wrote: post #123
nurettin wrote: post #85

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But they are so far apart and move on roughly the same trajectory that it shouldn't really matter.

That's not true. The tour is 16.2 billion light years long, so even at the speed of light, it would take more than the current age of the universe to travel. Stars will move a lot over that period of time.

Yes I was assuming instant travel, even with one star the trajectory will be nonlinear.

Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by jihadjihad »

notesinthefield wrote: post #8

I am overwhelmed with the thought of nearly 82 thousand bars within a country roughly the size of Ohio.

What's really cool is if you go to a site like [0] that shows the "true" size of countries etc. (i.e. not distorted by a projection), Indiana is probably the most analogous state to South Korea, in terms of size and shape. But South Korea has 7x the population of Indiana!

Really puts into perspective a movie like "Train to Busan", which would be like taking a train from Gary to Madison!

0: https://thetruesize.com

Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by deepspace »

mherkender wrote: post #120
bbno4 wrote: post #44

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americans always compare massive cities to empty states

South Korea has 5x the population of Ohio, but around 27x the number of bars [1]. So it really is a lot of bars. [1] https://www.ibisworld.com/us/industry/ohio/bars-nightclubs/1...

As someone married to a Korean, I am not surprised in the least. Every single one I have met (males at least) drinks like a fish. It is impossible to describe to a westerner just how ingrained the drinking culture is over there.

Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by Suppafly »

xmprt wrote: post #134
Suppafly wrote: post #129

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>Usually parking minimums are WAY too high in required parking spaces to make sense in most cases. That hasn't been my experience. Anytime I've wanted to go somewhere halfway popular the lot is usually full or nearly full. On the flipside, the lots are often empty during times when the business is closed, but reducing the size of the lot would exacerbate the issue of not being able to park nearby when the business is…

> You aren't going to stop the US from being car centric I think this isn't true. The same way suburbia spread out from cities, I think walkability can spread outwards too in baby steps. For example, SF is relatively walkable/has public transit. The next step would be slowly removing parking minimums and making the areas surrounding SF more walkable. And then over time as people in those surrounding areas start using…

Sure you can slowly, over a long time, convert already dense areas into being less car centric, but you aren't going to make the rest of the country that way. Parking minimums, when they exist, are set by super local governments, they already don't exist or are set very low in areas of high density. The solution is to increase density, but again you aren't going to do that in the rest of the country. Random bars in Ohio are still going to have large parking lots, because land is cheap and given the choice, most people prefer less density.
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