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Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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...literally all the things listed in the comment you're replying to.

But what stops Amazon from making these things? What's stopping them?

You’re not being clever like you think you are. “They could simply build something else” is … something that truly everybody knows. That’s not the point.

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

#132

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...literally all the things listed in the comment you're replying to.

But what stops Amazon from making these things? What's stopping them?

Almost two decades of Google market dominance with Android, and Google's simultaneous ownership of the entire ecosystem, including the browser, search engine, cloud integration and the internal app store (which is integrated so far up the OS's ass you can't do much without it). You just can't enforce a monopoly like Google does and simply claim "why wouldn't the competitors and consumers just kneecap themselves to leave??"

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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It continues to baffle me that Google gets harassed by the courts for being a better actor in almost every area it participates. Open source Android vs. closed iOS Install apps from any source on Android vs. total restriction on iOS Switch default app for browser (and many other things!) vs. No choice but Safari tech on iOS Easy switch of search provider in Chrome vs. countless dark patterns pushing Edge and Bing on…

No one could use the open source OS because the closed source play store was off limits unless you complied with google’s terms. It is like someone saying here is candy for you for free! But you can’t unwrap it unless you buy my dental insurance.

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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So if Google closed sourced their OS and access to their store is only via their OS, is that anti competitive ? Trying to figure out the argument. As opposed to Apple, Android is free and open like you said. It’s the Google Play Store that has limited access.

Apple never pretended iOS is free and available to all other phone manufacturer. It was always a main selling point for Apple phone. Google killed competition by first making a free operating system that all phone manufacturer could use, lowering their production cost, and when competitor like windows phone or Samsung tyzen died, slowly tightened his grip by pushing more and more core feature in their third party ser…

Windows Phone was not killed by Google offering a free OS. Microsoft chose to charge a licence for it[0]. And every Android handset requires (or required) the manufacturer to pay Microsoft licence fees of about the same amount, so the cost to the OEM wouldn't have been that different.

[0] https://www.phonearena.com/news/ZTE-exec-reveals-how-much-th...

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Camera apps on Android are very loosely coupled to the OS. They are intentionally left to OEMs to provide because that's the most visible aspect of hardware differentiation, and that differentiation probably depends on software support. On top of that, it would be hard to design an API for every possible camera hardware, apart from a high level API for apps to acquire an image.

>On top of that, it would be hard to design an API for every possible camera hardware, apart from a high level API for apps to acquire an image. APIs themselves are hard to make, but why is a camera one especially so? The language is well understood, the math and science are well understood. There are only a few ways that cameras themselves work, and even few ways that cell phone cameras work. Why is it hard? In adva…

>There are only a few ways that cameras themselves work, and even few ways that cell phone cameras work.

Have an infrared camera that augments the image from a normal camera?

Have a rotationally pop up camera that allows using the same 3 cameras for back and selfie, but also use it to take panoramas. (I miss my Asus ZenPhone flip)

Create photos that allow users to change focus when viewing?

Have two cameras back to back and allow capturing simultaneously to create 360 photos/videos?

Have two cameras side by side and allow stereo vision?

If you have a 0.7x, 1x, and 4x camera, and the user is zooming at 3, use the 1x to fill the frame, but the 5x to have better image quality at the center?

Use the optical stabilizer to take several shots with micro shifts and do super resolution?

We can go on and on. Cameras and even smartphone cameras allow a lot of possibilities. Some of them are already explored by some manufacturers.

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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It continues to baffle me that Google gets harassed by the courts for being a better actor in almost every area it participates. Open source Android vs. closed iOS Install apps from any source on Android vs. total restriction on iOS Switch default app for browser (and many other things!) vs. No choice but Safari tech on iOS Easy switch of search provider in Chrome vs. countless dark patterns pushing Edge and Bing on…

The EU fined Apple a couple of days ago, because their app store restrictions violate the Digital Market Act (DMA).

Similarly the EU forced Apple to allow alternative browser engines and to add a default browser selector.

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Did anyone read this article? The headline is misleading. It clearly states in the first line: > "Google’s contract with Lenovo Group Ltd.’s Motorola blocked the smartphone maker from setting Perplexity AI as the default assistant on its new devices" They didn't block Perplexity AI from Motorola's devices, the agreement states that they allow them to preload the devices with Perplexity, but the agreement, that both p…

Google has a monopoly on Android services and app distribution that the used to effectively force them to sign it. Literally not having a choice isn't the only way to be coerced to agree.

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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>Open source Android vs. closed iOS Google have slid back on this from day one. A pure-AOSP build of Android is borderline unusable, to the point that the dialer UI, various essential apps such as contacts and the like are now proprietary Google code, stripped out of AOSP. Additionally, AOSP has gone to a source-dump release pattern, rather than an open build. Last I knew, even basic things like the Camera and clock…

The requirement that amazes me they never gone absolutely done for was that to get certified (to carry the Play Store) you must not release any Android devices which are not certified. i.e. a given manufacturer would not be able to sell Google based Android devices and separate non-Google based Android devices. It's as if being able to bundle Windows OEM licenses was reliant on not selling any models with Linux.

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Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Did anyone read this article? The headline is misleading. It clearly states in the first line: > "Google’s contract with Lenovo Group Ltd.’s Motorola blocked the smartphone maker from setting Perplexity AI as the default assistant on its new devices" They didn't block Perplexity AI from Motorola's devices, the agreement states that they allow them to preload the devices with Perplexity, but the agreement, that both p…

As a device maker if Google or Apple demands that you jump, you jump.

They are essentially being strongarmed by the duopoly.

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