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America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by oivey »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #103
scythe wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not endorsing it, but it's roughly consistent with Trump's underlying philosophy that the international systems that USG manages are a subsidy from the US taxpayer to the rest of the world, and one which goes unappreciated. Under this premise, the USG would save money at little cost if they were replaced by industry consortiums or other countries' state initiatives. If my extrapolation is correct, even GPS might…

id agree with cybersecurity, but maybe not navigation? Even accounting for secondary effects, Currently supporting free navigation, especially in the Indian ocean and red sea mostly benefits other country, as the us is ~energy independent.

That’s not how economics works. Local energy price surges will also drive global prices up. The US is part of the global energy market. I guess you could ban export of energy and institute price controls, though.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by neogodless »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #102
lynndotpy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a real quote from Donald Trump, or a humorous "this-is-what-he-would-say" thing?

Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it's true! — but when you're a…

And that was back in 2016... https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trumps-ramblin...

Has he become more coherent in the subsequent 9 years?

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by dylan604 »

alxlaz wrote: post #73
sofixa wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> See, people look at the stalemate and often draw false conclusions. It's not that Russia was too weak militarily, it's that Ukraine put up one hell of a fight While Ukraine unquestionably put up a hell of a fight, the fact that the numerically superior army with the better and more numerical equipment, backed by the multiple times bigger and richer country failed is a failure. Especially when you consider that Ukra…

> While Ukraine unquestionably put up a hell of a fight, the fact that the numerically superior army with the better and more numerical equipment, backed by the multiple times bigger and richer country failed is a failure. Especially when you consider that Ukraine doesn't have a navy and barely had an air force and anti-air, yet Russia failed at establishing air or naval control, let alone dominance. That's certainly…

Why do you think any of these issues will not also be issues on a western front?

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by XorNot »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #103
scythe wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not endorsing it, but it's roughly consistent with Trump's underlying philosophy that the international systems that USG manages are a subsidy from the US taxpayer to the rest of the world, and one which goes unappreciated. Under this premise, the USG would save money at little cost if they were replaced by industry consortiums or other countries' state initiatives. If my extrapolation is correct, even GPS might…

id agree with cybersecurity, but maybe not navigation? Even accounting for secondary effects, Currently supporting free navigation, especially in the Indian ocean and red sea mostly benefits other country, as the us is ~energy independent.

US oil and gas is not constrained to being sold solely within the US, nor is it publicly owned by the government.

It has never mattered that the US is technically energy independent, because it's not independent of a number of other resources, and it cannot sustain the sort of cost increases which reductions in global oil and gas supply would lead to: because again, threesome resources aren't publicly owned - the higher revenues flow to the oil companies, not the tax payer.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by derefr »

whynotmaybe wrote: post #30
antonioevans wrote: post #13

So in what way does this help the American people?

I guess that after "In god we trust" on the bank notes, it's now "god helps those who help themselves" for the rest. > The phrase is often mistaken as a scriptural quote, though it is not stated in the Bible. Some Christians consider the expression contrary to the biblical message of God's grace and help for the helpless, and its denunciation of greed and selfishness. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helps_those_w…

I feel like, despite the apochrycality of it, there’s a theologically-valid interpretation of the quote: namely, the same principle behind putting on your own breath mask first on a plane in an emergency.

The Bible-compatible spin on this might be something like: if you don’t “help yourself” in the absolute strictest sense — feeding yourself, say — but only set out to help others, then you will fail to help others, as your body will fail you before you’ve done a single useful thing. It is not sainthood, not martyrdom, to refuse to do the small work required to accept the “gifts of God” (like a breath mask that keeps you alive long enough to do the work required to save your own children.)

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by [deleted] »

sofixa wrote: post #87
johnisgood wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's that Ukraine put up one hell of a fight. I would like to add that, yes, with a lot of money and weapons from the US and other countries, they would not have been able to do it without their help. Am I wrong about the aid's significance, or did it not happen?

Yes, but the initial stopping of the Russian advance happened before the vast majority of that help arrived. In a way, Russia lost the war the moment it didn't finish it in a few days - it ensured Ukraine could be supplied, and that the resistance will be remembered and kept on.

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Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by XorNot »

jwagenet wrote: post #85
mfer wrote: post #80

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To play devils advocate here, a thought comes to mind... Should the US be the one to handle the CVE database globally? The current administration wants to see other parts of the world help carry the load. A little scare could be the push needed to make this either distributed or handled by a coalition. This could be a positive for the US (who doesn't want to be the sole funder) and for those who don't want the US to…

As with many other cuts and activities by the administration, it’s not that some programs don’t deserve scrutiny, but that the cuts are careless and shortsighted.

Well, and also irrelevant. The budgetary numbers this is being claimed to be in service too will not be reached even if you dismantled every single program like this and all the related ones.

It's the equivalent of taking a day off work to haggle over the price of a bus ticket.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by prophesi »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #98
prophesi wrote: post #39

Bit of a sparse article. The near-miss of CVE funding is certainly tragic, but there's no mention of how they siphoned data from the NLRB and locked everyone out of their accounts, and give only a quick mention to cutting federal grants for cybersecurity and CISA's funding. There's a lot more ammo out there to show how incompetent the Trump administration and Musk's DOGE team actually is.

this wasn't an article it was an opinion piece.

My bad, the headline certainly makes it sound like it should be informative.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by [deleted] »

gadders wrote: post #110

"The Washington Monument syndrome, also known as the Mount Rushmore syndrome or the firemen first principle, is a term used to describe the phenomenon of government agencies in the United States cutting the most visible or appreciated service provided by the government when faced with budget cuts." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Monument_syndrome

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