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Re: The many ways tarrifs will hit electronics

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Post by bloomingeek » Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 1:03 AM UTC

carlosjobim wrote: post #81

bloomingeek wrote: post #67

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Maybe your MAGA hat's brim is pulled down too low? There's a real, beautiful world out there if you're willing to see it. Knowledge is a good first step to beauty!

You added nothing to the discussion. Your mental state is that you are a member of a mob who are out to squash anybody who thinks differently, and that gives you an illusion of having power. But in reality you don't know any of the people here, and the only power we have as commenters online is to exchange thoughts and ideas. As for the real world, there is a large variety of tariff policies around the world, and mos…

Ok, it's not the brim, you drank the kool-aid! Tariffs are best negotiated behind closed doors so as not to crash world markets. (Oh, and let's not trash the fed chair in open public either, you saw what happened, right?)

Besides being blind, you might want to wake up also. Your "Mr. Trump" started a tariff war, leaving other countries no choice but to respond. If he would have went through normal sane channels, your 401K wouldn't be tanking right now. Tariffs are how the countries deal with each other, strong arming them, historically, always ends in either backing off or disaster.

A mob? Really? Since I don't have a window into your life, like you think you do into mine, I don't really have a rational way to respond to this statement.

Re: The many ways tarrifs will hit electronics

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Post by bloomingeek » Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 1:08 AM UTC

carlosjobim wrote: post #111

mindslight wrote: post #89

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> As for the real world, there is a large variety of tariff policies around the world, and most countries implement much harsher tariffs than what Mr Trump is suggesting for America. There are many very good arguments for tariffs and against tariffs, let's talk about them instead? Sorry, no. This is a common Trumpist talking point that has validated the comment you're responding to. Every aspect of the US economy is…

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Re: The many ways tarrifs will hit electronics

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Post by bloomingeek » Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 1:13 AM UTC

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #130

bloomingeek wrote: post #66

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I think you're only half right. Most people are woefully undereducated or unwilling to gain knowledge for the sake of understanding things in the modern world. A fatal flaw, because then they rely on smart sounding people, dressed in nice clothing, to tell them how to think. > I've honestly never understood the point of the tariffs.> At the risk of sounding rude, why the hell don't you understand the point of tariffs…

The "the" in "point of the tariffs" is enough to say that a specific collection of tariffs is being referred to, not the general concept of tariffs. Given the Trump tariffs are the subject of the article this discussion is attached to and those tariffs are a major current event, they're the obvious default expansion of "the tariffs."

Er, the "the" is in my sentence. You either don't understand tariffs or you don't understand "the point" of tariffs. Let's clear this up, shall we? (And don't try to wiggle out of your original statement, please.)

Re: The many ways tarrifs will hit electronics

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia » Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 1:25 AM UTC

bloomingeek wrote: post #133

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "the" in "point of the tariffs" is enough to say that a specific collection of tariffs is being referred to, not the general concept of tariffs. Given the Trump tariffs are the subject of the article this discussion is attached to and those tariffs are a major current event, they're the obvious default expansion of "the tariffs."

Er, the "the" is in my sentence. You either don't understand tariffs or you don't understand "the point" of tariffs. Let's clear this up, shall we? (And don't try to wiggle out of your original statement, please.)

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I've honestly never understood the point of the tariffs.

wing-_-nuts said it, diego_molta quoted it, then you quoted it again and went off about it for some reason, ignoring the 'the' in the process.

Have you considered decaf?

Re: The many ways tarrifs will hit electronics

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Post by fzzzy » Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 1:55 AM UTC

whateveracct wrote: post #124

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #15

I've honestly never understood the point of the tariffs. 1. They're massively unpopular and likely to cause electoral losses in '26 and '28 which will immediately undo them 2. Consumers know the tariffs will likely cause a recession, and will likely be undone in 4y. Pretty much every major spending purchase that can be delayed, will. 3. Companies know 4y is not enough time to invest in new supply chains or new manufa…

I read recently the tariffs are the policy of some guy Trump latched onto because Kushner likes the title of his book ("Death by China")

Trump took out full page ads about this in the 80s.

Re: The many ways tarrifs will hit electronics

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Post by ty6853 » Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 2:55 AM UTC

Aloisius wrote: post #128

ty6853 wrote: post #52

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On first glance that's the case, in practice they clamp down hardest on middle and professional classes. The rich borrow against gains or pay long term capital gains, or just "re-invest" (no profit) into durable assets for their business that hold value longer than they'll be alive. The scam of income tax is that it's progressive on paper but not in practice.

> The rich borrow against gains That they have to pay back with interest. This made a little sense except for short-term loans when one had liquidity issues when interest rates were close to zero or in very, very limited circumstances where someone knew they were close to death - but that more has to do with the broken way we handle taxing inheritance. With the prime rate is 7.5% today, it makes far less sense. > "re…

>Capital expenditures aren't subtracted from revenue. They have no effect on profit.

This is a cheap slight of hand to confuse unsophisticated readers. It has effect on taxable profit since much of cap ex is deductible.

Re: The many ways tarrifs will hit electronics

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Post by dumbledoren » Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 3:10 AM UTC

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #117

davidw wrote: post #27

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People keep acting like there is some plan or higher thought process. Sometimes, people are just morons. Look at how Bessent had to sneak in and try and get the tariffs paused: https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-tariff-pause-navar... There's no coordinated strategy there.

There's no coordinated strategy anywhere. The people with real power voted him in to lower taxes, and in return he is nuking the economy, neutering the Pentagon, trashing public health, isolating the US from tourists and skilled immigrants, walking public education back at least a century, killing the next generation of R&D, murdering rational climate policy with a coal-powered chainsaw, and handing government softwa…

> nuking the economy, neutering the Pentagon, trashing public health, isolating the US from tourists and skilled immigrants, walking public education back at least a century, killing the next generation of R&D, murdering rational climate policy with a coal-powered chainsaw, and handing government software and data to enemy powers.

How is that any different from what has been going on in the past 40 years... Biden kept almost all of Trump's tariffs and other policies. And Trump kept a lot of Biden's policies and added on to them.

Re: The many ways tarrifs will hit electronics

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Post by pixl97 » Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 3:45 AM UTC

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #117

davidw wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People keep acting like there is some plan or higher thought process. Sometimes, people are just morons. Look at how Bessent had to sneak in and try and get the tariffs paused: https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-tariff-pause-navar... There's no coordinated strategy there.

There's no coordinated strategy anywhere. The people with real power voted him in to lower taxes, and in return he is nuking the economy, neutering the Pentagon, trashing public health, isolating the US from tourists and skilled immigrants, walking public education back at least a century, killing the next generation of R&D, murdering rational climate policy with a coal-powered chainsaw, and handing government softwa…

Coordinated strategy will be against the democratic vote.

Re: The many ways tarrifs will hit electronics

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Post by felixgallo » Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 4:50 AM UTC

dumbledoren wrote: post #137

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no coordinated strategy anywhere. The people with real power voted him in to lower taxes, and in return he is nuking the economy, neutering the Pentagon, trashing public health, isolating the US from tourists and skilled immigrants, walking public education back at least a century, killing the next generation of R&D, murdering rational climate policy with a coal-powered chainsaw, and handing government softwa…

> nuking the economy, neutering the Pentagon, trashing public health, isolating the US from tourists and skilled immigrants, walking public education back at least a century, killing the next generation of R&D, murdering rational climate policy with a coal-powered chainsaw, and handing government software and data to enemy powers. How is that any different from what has been going on in the past 40 years... Biden kep…

Did you really say how is that different?

Re: The many ways tarrifs will hit electronics

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Post by gamblor956 » Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 5:03 AM UTC

dumbledoren wrote: post #137

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no coordinated strategy anywhere. The people with real power voted him in to lower taxes, and in return he is nuking the economy, neutering the Pentagon, trashing public health, isolating the US from tourists and skilled immigrants, walking public education back at least a century, killing the next generation of R&D, murdering rational climate policy with a coal-powered chainsaw, and handing government softwa…

> nuking the economy, neutering the Pentagon, trashing public health, isolating the US from tourists and skilled immigrants, walking public education back at least a century, killing the next generation of R&D, murdering rational climate policy with a coal-powered chainsaw, and handing government software and data to enemy powers. How is that any different from what has been going on in the past 40 years... Biden kep…

This comment is so disingenous it's almost pointless to respond to.

Previous presidents did things because they genuinely believed that what they were doing was the right thing for America based on their deeply-held beliefs.

Trump has no beliefs. He does not act from rational thought. He does whatever makes him feel good in the immediate moment, without regard to the consequences or even his own prior words and deeds.