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Re: arXiv moving from Cornell servers to Google Cloud

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Post by surajrmal »

johnisgood wrote: post #86
kelnos wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes to the first, but other platforms that run k8s exist. No to the second, unless they've come to some sure of agreement with Cornell that lets them.

The first is already awful. Without notice?

Generally speaking all companies are capable of stopping services at a whim, unless there are contractual obligations for otherwise. Singling out Google here isn't helpful unless there is a unique provision in their contract that others don't have.

Also worth noting that gcp has over a decade of continuous service with no indication to think it should disappear any time soon. It's not clear why Google's consumer product strategies can be used to infer how their cloud products are run.

Re: arXiv moving from Cornell servers to Google Cloud

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Post by surajrmal »

johnisgood wrote: post #72
dewey wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you are hosting at a company doesn’t mean they are “controlling” it.

Can't they stop providing services at a whim? Can't they do whatever with the data?

If cloud providers could do whatever they want with their customers data, they wouldn't have any customers.

Re: arXiv moving from Cornell servers to Google Cloud

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Post by surajrmal »

Tepix wrote: post #27
einpoklum wrote: post #25

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Can you elaborate regarding the privacy concern? arXiv content is public, isn't it?

Google will likely see who accesses which papers

People seem to generally confuse the ability to do something with the actual doing of said thing.

Re: arXiv moving from Cornell servers to Google Cloud

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Post by johnisgood »

surajrmal wrote: post #131
johnisgood wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first is already awful. Without notice?

Generally speaking all companies are capable of stopping services at a whim, unless there are contractual obligations for otherwise. Singling out Google here isn't helpful unless there is a unique provision in their contract that others don't have. Also worth noting that gcp has over a decade of continuous service with no indication to think it should disappear any time soon. It's not clear why Google's consumer prod…

I wonder why they chose not to use in-house tools instead.

In any case, are there any documented instances of Google Cloud discontinuing service or terminating a client's hosting for ?

Re: arXiv moving from Cornell servers to Google Cloud

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Post by chubot »

chubot wrote: post #123
kiproping wrote: post #65

I recently read about arxiv, it's history and all the mini-drama's around it https://www.wired.com/story/inside-arxiv-most-transformative... . I wonder if Ginsparg is finally retiring and relinquishing access.

Wow, this is a great article! (other archive link - https://archive.is/XVCi7 ) I didn't realize arXiV was started in 1991. And then I wondered why I had never heard of it while I was at Cornell from 1997-2001. Apparently it only assumed the arXiV name in 1999. I like that it was a bunch of shell scripts :) Long before arXiv became critical infrastructure for scientific research, it was a collection of shell scripts r…

Another tidbit: https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.04188

FAQ 1: Why did you create arXiv if journals already existed? Has it developed as you had expected?

Answer: Conventional journals did not start coming online until the mid to late 1990s. I originally envisioned it as an expedient hack, a quick-and-dirty email-transponder written in csh to provide short-term access to electronic versions of preprints until the existing paper distribution system could catch up, within about three months.

So it was in csh on NeXT. Tim Berners-Lee also developed the web on NeXT!

Re: arXiv moving from Cornell servers to Google Cloud

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Post by tough »

philipov wrote: post #129
tough wrote: post #125

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its not a nonprofit (cornell, its a university) but they do accept donations https://info.arxiv.org/about/donate.html

Cornell is a nonprofit.

didn't occur to me that was possible in the US cause private unis spend most on marketing i guess but glad it is

stand corrected

Re: arXiv moving from Cornell servers to Google Cloud

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Post by einpoklum »

dewey wrote: post #32
einpoklum wrote: post #22

Another piece of (effectively) public infrastructure coming under the control of the mega-corporations, and Alphabet specifically.

Just because you are hosting at a company doesn’t mean they are “controlling” it.

Ah, but it's not merely "hosting"; they're rewriting the code to fit Google Cloud, and possibly to depend on it.

Re: arXiv moving from Cornell servers to Google Cloud

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Post by johnisgood »

surajrmal wrote: post #132
johnisgood wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't they stop providing services at a whim? Can't they do whatever with the data?

If cloud providers could do whatever they want with their customers data, they wouldn't have any customers.

> If cloud providers could do whatever they want with their customers data, they wouldn't have any customers.

I disagree, but it depends on what we mean by "doing".

Re: arXiv moving from Cornell servers to Google Cloud

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Post by infecto »

sd9 wrote: post #119
infecto wrote: post #87

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Is it not ideal to block Iran?

Why should the 90 million people in Iran not have easy access to scientific knowledge?

Unfortunately their government is a historic adversary to many western nations. The people there are nice but that’s what happens.

Re: arXiv moving from Cornell servers to Google Cloud

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Post by LarsDu88 »

chubot wrote: post #135
chubot wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, this is a great article! (other archive link - https://archive.is/XVCi7 ) I didn't realize arXiV was started in 1991. And then I wondered why I had never heard of it while I was at Cornell from 1997-2001. Apparently it only assumed the arXiV name in 1999. I like that it was a bunch of shell scripts :) Long before arXiv became critical infrastructure for scientific research, it was a collection of shell scripts r…

Another tidbit: https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.04188 FAQ 1: Why did you create arXiv if journals already existed? Has it developed as you had expected? Answer: Conventional journals did not start coming online until the mid to late 1990s. I originally envisioned it as an expedient hack, a quick-and-dirty email-transponder written in csh to provide short-term access to electronic versions of preprints until the existing p…

John Carmack and John Romero also developed the original Doom on NeXT
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