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Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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I don't like how this was rolled out. I'm currently paying for "Unlimited Kagi Assistant" and the Kagi website STILL advertises "Unlimited Kagi Assistant". And they stealthily rolled in limits? I pay the same amount, but it's no longer unlimited, and I only know about this because I happened to notice it on HN. Otherwise I would only know after hitting a limit.

Maybe they've changed it in the past hour, but as I write this comment the 25$ plan is called "Ultimate" and promises unlimited search, but not unlimited assistant.

I agree about the need for appropriate wording and advertising, but other than that, the new limits seem entirely reasonable and in line with what other aggregators like Abacus and Poe are doing. The paid plans of the major AI labs themselves always have usage limits too. It simply can't work any other way if you include costly models in the mix.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Anyone used both Kagi assistant and perplexity and can share how was the experience?

Just typed this up elsewhere in the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43726582

Examples were useful to visualise the difference, thanks.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

#133

It'd be nice if you could see how much each request actually cost in relation to your plan, and to have some type of easily accessible meter. A lot of AI providers operate in black box territory when it comes to limits, which is quite annoying.

> We plan to display cost and interaction details more prominently soon, potentially on the billing page or directly within the Assistant interface. I too want to see this soon. As a long time user of Ultimate it isn't uncommon for me to use 5M tokens per month and I have no idea if this will be covered by my subscription now.

How do you know how many tokens you've used? Or is it a guesstimate?

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

#134

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I use both but cancelled my Perplexity subscription. Kagi is the better version of Google search, especially if you learn how to use lenses, bangs, and all these features. Kagi Assistant is great if you‘re happy with basic no-frills chat, i.e. no usable voice input, no image gen, no canvas. Perplexity is not bad, but somewhat stuck in the middle between ChatGPT/Gemini and search. They provide sources for search resul…

Any suggestions for how you got your lenses, bangs, assistant set up the way you like? I recently subscribed to Kagi and feel like I don't really know how to get in the habit of really using all the features.

For redirects I like to create a rule to direct versioned sites (like documentation) to either "latest" or the version relevant to me. I also like to redirect sites to a more user friendly version when applicable (like reddit.com => old.reddit.com).

If a site leaves me disgruntled when I visit it, I block it. If I find it too useful to block entirely (reddit) I lower it. I apply the inverse to sites I enjoy.

I find there are certain sites that have built-in search that sucks. One such example is Dockerhub. In that case, when I want to search for a container on Dockerhub, it may be tempting to use the built-in !dh, but that is no good. Instead I favor the "snap" search: @dh, which will just add "site:hub.docker.com" to you query. This will give much better results than !dh. This can also be combined with the "I'm feeling lucky" bang (!), so you can search for something like "nats @dh !" and end up on the Dockerhub page for NATS - without ever even seeing Kagi if you do it from your URL bar. I do this pattern all the time, usually with Dockerhub and GitHub.

You'll find with the above pattern that you'll start to want to apply this to sites that aren't natively supported as bangs. One such site for me has been Ollama. I added a !ollama to be able to search for models directly. It's also nice because just searching "!ollama" will bring me right to the homepage too, which is useful when I want to check to see if I'm on the latest version.

You'll also find there are subjects where you tend to prefer a small set of sources. Maybe it's some software or tool, or some hobby or something, where you prefer official documentation, maybe some known personal sites you trust, a reddit community, something like that. That's where custom lenses comes in. I personally have a lens for the operating system I use (GNU Guix) (as well as a !p bang to search for packages) which includes official documentation, mailing list archives, IRC archives, things like that. I'm sure there are probably similar subjects in your world that you would enjoy having a more focused search for :)

As for the Kagi Assistant, I pretty much have just wired up an Assistant to use my Guix lens as a search source. That is pretty nice, because I can just ask it general questions like "how do I install nginx?" and get focused and relevant answers, instead of having it go off on how to install it on irrelevant distros.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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post #104

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I'm really surprised that more people didn't jump on the unlimited usage of Claude3.7, tbh. Don't think it's fair to call users problematic when they were using the product as advertised. "Unlimited" has a meaning.

> Don't think it's fair to call users problematic when they were using the product as advertised. "Unlimited" has a meaning. I'm sympathetic to that argument, for sure, but it's also just a branding-label to not necessarily be taken literally. There must always be a limit to everything as there's only so much energy in the universe: so, the word 'unlimited', in every real-world physical context , is still with limits…

In my country (Australia), companies have been found guilty in court when making that claim. It considered false advertising to claim your product is "unlimited" when it is not, in fact, unlimited.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

#137
post #83

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It's right there in the article: > An important note: We are enabling the Assistant for all users in phases, based on regions, starting with USA today. The full rollout for ‘Assistant for All’ is scheduled to be completed by Sunday, 23:59 UTC.

I missed that, thanks. I will try it on Sunday

Well in your defence, the HN title does say 'available to all users'

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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> We plan to display cost and interaction details more prominently soon, potentially on the billing page or directly within the Assistant interface. I too want to see this soon. As a long time user of Ultimate it isn't uncommon for me to use 5M tokens per month and I have no idea if this will be covered by my subscription now.

How do you know how many tokens you've used? Or is it a guesstimate?

And what is the cheapest model to use? Llama 70B?

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

#139
post #74

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> all are profitable today and all were acquired. They are either profitable or acquired :) > Becoming profitable, even at this point is just a matter of deciding to stop expanding Yeah, growth at all costs is one of the defining factors. > it's a startup accelerator after al The only business models for Y Combinator startups are: - run indefinitely long on unlimited investor money - get sold to the highest bidder at…

> They are either profitable or acquired :) Why? Once a company has been acquired, does it automatically fall out of profitability? If it's acquired in a stock sale, it remains an independent entity and still has a P&L If it's acquired/merged in an asset sale (not usually a good sign), it can still be assessed whether the new division is profitable - except in some rare cases like Google (allegedly!) not wanting to i…

> Once a company has been acquired, does it automatically fall out of profitability?

It becomes a part of the company that bought it?

> Seems very wrong based on looking at YC's portfolio, which apparently includes a bunch of profitable startups

It contains very few profitable startups. Those are the exceptions.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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post #97

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> How do you know they do that? Because it has been widely discussed for years. > And how do you know Kagi does not? Because the source code of that feature is open and you can look into it I guess

> Because it has been widely discussed for years. That Google does fingerprinting across searches to cluster them and pinpoint them to a person? Are you sure you are not confusing this with cookies? Cookies are under my control. I can decide to not store them or just delete them. > Because the source code of that feature is open and you can look into it I guess You can't know what source code that is running on the s…

yes, even if you clear your cookies:

https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/02/google-now-al...

i quote: “With all these pieces of information, it’s possible to create a unique fingerprint by which websites can recognize you, even if you clear your cookies. They will even be able to make an informed guess if you visit the same site with a different browser.”

i urge you to consider how google makes money. it’s not at all surprising really.

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