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Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by voxic11 »

deyiao wrote: post #93

Content moderation is incredibly frustrating — it might even be the key reason why Veo2 and even Gemini could ultimately fail. I just want to make some fun videos where my kid plays a superhero, but it keeps failing.

Are you trying to make your kid play a superhero or a specific copyrighted superhero? I'm just asking because I would expect them to attempt to prevent copyright infringement but I'm not sure why they would prevent you from depicting superheros which don't infringe on copyright. Maybe they are attempting to prevent any depictions of children, superhero or otherwise?

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by energy123 »

throwup238 wrote: post #75
wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #61

1: Press release about amazing AI development. 2: "Try it now!" the release always says. 3: I go try it. 4: Doesn't work. In this case, I give it a prompt to make a video and literally nothing happens, it goes back to the prompt. In the case of the breathtakingly astonishing Gemini 2.5 Coding - attach to source code file to the prompt "file type not supported". That's the pattern - I've come to expect it and was not…

On the contrary I had completely written off Google until a few days ago. Gemini 2.5 Pro is finally competitive with GPT/Claude, their Deep Research is better and has a 20/day limit rather than 10/month, and now with a single run of Veo 2 I’ve gotten a much better and coherent video than from dozens of attempts at Sora. They finally seem to have gotten their heads collectively unstuck from their rear end (but yeah it…

Gemini 2.5 Pro is smarter, faster, cheaper and longer context than o1.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by gh0stcat »

vo2maxer wrote: post #99
gh0stcat wrote: post #33

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This actually so amateurish and cliche it's painful. The fact people like this shows that art never had a chance when the masses have no taste. This makes me depressed for artists and the future.

Observations like these remind me of The Académie des Beaux-Arts in France, and more specifically its official Salon (the Salon de Paris), keeping Impressionist painters out of established exhibitions.

Yes because generating "art" that is entirely stealing from the hard work and actual dedication put forth by real artists is anything like the expressionist movement in the 20th century.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by dgs_sgd »

tracerbulletx wrote: post #16
delichon wrote: post #4

I think I would buy "yes" shares in a Polymarket event that predicts a motion picture created by a single person grossing more than $100M by 2027.

Everyone keeps ignoring supply and demand when talking about the impacts of AI. Let's just assume it really gets so good you can do this and it doesn't suck. Yes the costs will get so low that there will be almost no barrier to making content but if there is no barrier to making content, the ROI will be massive, and so everyone will be doing it, you can more or less have the exact movie you want in your head on deman…

AI will level the playing field for creation but not for distribution. The AI movie created by someone who's already Hollywood or social media famous will get more attention than a nobody.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by waffletower »

minimaxir wrote: post #45
torginus wrote: post #37

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Why text? why not encode the image into some latent space representation, so that it can survive a round-trip more or less faithfully?

Because Imagen 3 is a text-to-image model, not an image-to-image model, so the inputs have to be some form of text. Multimodal models such as 4o image generation or Gemini 2.0 which can take in both text and image inputs do encode image inputs to a latent space through a Vision Transformer, but not reverseable or losslessly.

Typically generative models, particularly diffusion models like Imagen 3, are easily architected to support several vectors toward the latent space of the model. It is not open source so there might be an architectural reason I cannot see, but I don't think the public interface to the model should suggest its capabilities -- it is uncommon for image to image not to be supported in open source image generation models, for example. However, there are definite legal reasons not to provide such a vector in a public facing model like Imagen 3.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by waffletower »

minimaxir wrote: post #45
torginus wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why text? why not encode the image into some latent space representation, so that it can survive a round-trip more or less faithfully?

Because Imagen 3 is a text-to-image model, not an image-to-image model, so the inputs have to be some form of text. Multimodal models such as 4o image generation or Gemini 2.0 which can take in both text and image inputs do encode image inputs to a latent space through a Vision Transformer, but not reverseable or losslessly.

And Gemini gave the Yes-man treatment to my statement here :D "In summary: Your assessment aligns well with the technical realities of diffusion models and the practical, legal, and safety considerations large companies face when deploying powerful generative AI tools publicly. It's entirely feasible that Imagen 3's underlying architecture could support image inputs, but Google has chosen not to expose this capability publicly due to the associated risks and complexities."

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by waffletower »

flkenosad wrote: post #54
torginus wrote: post #37

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Why text? why not encode the image into some latent space representation, so that it can survive a round-trip more or less faithfully?

Text might honestly be the best latent space representation.

A word tells a thousand pictures.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by drusepth »

patates wrote: post #106
fragmede wrote: post #104

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GDPR ftw!

I'm not a lawyer but I thought GDPR didn't prevent that. It adds a lot of restrictions on how they can use those emails for how long, but not a complete ban on explicit sharing of emails.

GDPR may not prevent it explicitly, but around the world GDPR has a chilling effect on many businesses, small and large, that often results in longer launch delays to covered countries while armies of lawyers double and triple check everything in fear of large fines.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by bornfreddy »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #76
bornfreddy wrote: post #70

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I can't tell if this is sarcasm or a helpful advice?

It's how you have to do it. The gemini model is excellent, but the implementation/chat environment seems like it was thrown together in a weekend as an afterthought. You cannot upload a .py file, but if you change the name to "main.txt" you can upload it, and it will automatically treat it as "main.py". Not sure how this hasn't been fixed yet, but it is google so...

Thank you for explaining!
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