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Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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I believe you are mixing up different cases. That is not the statute used at all for the Turkey case. The Alien Enemies Act you are referring to was exclusively used for the designated foreign terrorist organizations (i.e. TdA & MS13; Venezuelans who went to El Salvador prison).

You also aren't at war with TdA or MS-13.

A war is not an essential requirement for invocation of AEA. Read the statute.

(The steel-man for your case would be on TdA being tied to a foreign government, not that it is not a war--an invasion or predatory incursion is enough. We will soon see how SCOTUS rules on that.)

Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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> What has changed? From the freaking title: “Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.”

Can you point to any specific policy changes or case studies?

Are you going to Sealion this ?

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> Things are changing and they're changing fast. What has changed?

Immigration policies are way stricter now, and they're leaving people out. Also related, some countries are issuing warnings for people traveling to the US. https://travelnoire.com/europe-us-travel-advisory

> Immigration policies are way stricter now

Do you have any evidence of that? Have there been changes in legislation, specific directives issued?

> some countries are issuing warnings for people traveling to the US

In the case of Germany, it was emphasized that the change was not a travel warning, but instead a travel advisory [0]. Here are a few advisories from Canada, accessed 2025-04-02:

Germany: Exercise a high degree of caution in Germany due to the threat of terrorism. https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/germany

France: Exercise a high degree of caution in France due to the elevated threat of terrorism. https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/france

Italy: Exercise a high degree of caution in Italy due to the threat of terrorism. https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/italy

The State Department has a similar advisory on traveling to the UK:

> Country Summary: Terrorist groups continue plotting possible attacks in the United Kingdom. Terrorists may attack with little or no warning, targeting tourist locations, transportation hubs, markets/shopping malls, local government facilities, hotels, clubs, restaurants, places of worship, parks, major sporting and cultural events, educational institutions, airports, and other public areas. There is also a risk of isolated violence by dissident groups in Northern Ireland, focused primarily on police and military targets.

I will look at anything specific you have on hand that you feel merits attention, but I know that in the case of the German advisory, it was just updated to reflect that possessing a visa was not a guarantee of entry. So far as I know this did not come about as a result of change in policy. While the Trump administration has done a lot of chest-thumping on immigration, I haven't seen any indication that these sorts of refusals and detentions are unprecedented; they just seem to be receiving more media attention. In this instance, there were three high profile cases of Germans being refused entry and / or detained, which resulted in the advisory.

[0]: https://www.newsweek.com/germany-issues-travel-warning-us-20... ("But they also stressed that this change does not count as an official travel warning.")

Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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> The law is unfortunately very vague and thus open to interpretation (which is ultimately subject to the commander in chief, the current clown) That is it exactly. The US legal/governmental system is a house of cards that has been running for at least 150 years on a bunch of wink-wink-nudge-nudge assumptions that both sides were too scared to test or even acknowledge. An ounce of prevention might have been worth a p…

The truth is much of it could have been prevented (court packing was one idea that might have been unpopular, but there are many other ideas that could have been acted upon). We live with consequences of failures of the Democratic party for the last decade. Had Ruth Ginsberg been pressured to retire after her numerous health issues, Roe v Wade would never have been overturned (it was a 1 vote swing). Had primaries oc…

I love how your analysis does not blame the perpetrators. And I think this is pervasive and one of root problems - Republicans and conservatives are not blamed for own lies nor plans nor decisions.

Instead, democrats are blamed for what Republicans do.

Yes, democrats should have been harder on republicans. But again, the same double standards would cause them to be blamed for "gaming the system".

Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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> What has changed? From the freaking title: “Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.”

Can you point to any specific policy changes or case studies?

What a lazy game you are playing.

Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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> We live with consequences of failures of the Democratic party for the last decade. While that's not completely wrong, I find it fascinating that everyone seems to treat the Republican party as having no culpability. We have a Republican party that's had a policy goal of blowing up the government for a half century with varying levels of how far they were willing to take it, but it's the Democratic party's fault for…

Well if the adults don't put up a toddler gate, who's fault is it when the toddler falls down the stairs?

Republicans are not toddlers. If an alcoholic adult falls on stairs, itnis not fault of his wife.

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Can you point to any specific policy changes or case studies?

That the administration thinks they just just drag people into vans and ship them off to a foreign prison?

> That the administration thinks they just just drag people into vans and ship them off to a foreign prison?

Can you point to a specific instance where this has occurred, and what laws you believe were broken? I'm not qualified to say if the El Salvador detention facilities are legal or not, but my understanding is that ICE has always had the authority to arrest illegal immigrants, and that a potential penalty for illegal entry is imprisonment.

See: 8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

> (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

> Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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Can you point to any specific policy changes or case studies?

Are you going to Sealion this ?

> Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity ("I'm just trying to have a debate"), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.

Read the site guidelines. You are breaking several of them.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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I don’t think your hypothetical is crazy at all. I learned this weekend that much of my close family, who were pretty normal conservatives just a couple of years ago, now believe that all legal and illegal immigrants have been let into the country by jws to eliminate the white race. And that’s not an exaggeration at all. Like I’m mincing words to make them look less bad. My family is not the down and out, they never…

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Yeah it does change thing things whether your rhetoric involves "eliminating white race" fear and threat of Jewish.

Person you responded to found out his relatives are full on nazi. That is what it means. And that means violence, intentional cruelty and loss of freedom for those around.

Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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The most interesting thing I see is people overestimate how resilient the system is. Unfortunately, this is at the whim of a president, who with a majority in the court, dictates the law. With a ban or at his whim, even legal residents can find themselves out. We tend to think the system is resilient to this, but ultimately it really isn't. Scholars cannot even agree on whether these tech workers are entitled to the…

> who with a majority in the court... There is a judicial conservative majority. That doesn't mean they are a Trumpian, Republican or even conservative rubber stamp. The court has ruled against conservatives numerous times already.

They are openly enablers, twisting the rules for them whenever they can. Thomas is also quite corrupt. Kavanaugh is purely political advancing conservative project. Alito the same, with better excuses.
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