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A minute ago I was absolutely certain you would literally die if you drank that much.
I will literally die, some day. I was caffeine free for 7 years before kids and grad school and startup work. I’m never making that mistake again and I’m making up for lost time.
Coffea stenophylla: A forgotten bean that could save coffee from extinction
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Re: Coffea stenophylla: A forgotten bean that could save coffee from extinction
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I find myself unable to separate the coffee from that fact Well at least you admit it. > Now its so prevalent that no one can see the original causes. I know plenty of people who drink coffee without taking a break to do so. I know plenty of people who drink coffee and are more productive outside of work than people who do not drink coffee at all. I know plenty of employers who do not provide coffee breaks nor free…
Fair points. I do admit it! I expect no one to jump onboard from this community. I may be unreasonable — wouldn’t be the first time I have been accused of such, nor would it be the first time I agreed. It is a real problem IMO. So many of us are perpetually exhausted. Unable to sleep. Jittery and fidgety. And as you say: unpleasant to be around when withdrawing! These are the hallmarks of this addiction. To me the th…
But... I only said unpleasant to be around. I didn't add the "when withdrawing" qualifier.
Re: Coffea stenophylla: A forgotten bean that could save coffee from extinction
#133Caffeine production is likely difficult in the face of a drier climate. Caffeine is present in the plant as a pesticide. Insects are a much bigger problem in wet climates over dry. Having grown up in a wet climate (Chicago) but now living in a dry one (Utah) I can say that finding a droubt tolerant species which concerns itself with pesticide production may be difficult. The same water which coffee relies on is the s…
Re: Coffea stenophylla: A forgotten bean that could save coffee from extinction
#134Caffeine production is likely difficult in the face of a drier climate. Caffeine is present in the plant as a pesticide. Insects are a much bigger problem in wet climates over dry. Having grown up in a wet climate (Chicago) but now living in a dry one (Utah) I can say that finding a droubt tolerant species which concerns itself with pesticide production may be difficult. The same water which coffee relies on is the s…
Not that this applies to you, but coffee is definitely one of the things the Utah-based religions and metacultures should reconsider. Both coffee and tea are extraordinarily healthy compared to their more commonly preferred soda/diet sodas, and much more satisfying. Further, they already allow tea in subculture rulesets like Korea (one can speak with former proselytizers that sold the ideas in the region if doubt is…
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These days everything is blamed on climate change. And when people point out natural variation, they get bashed. A recent example is the CA fires, there is zero evidence linking them to climate change - they did a study and found no effect - which of course was reported as "climate change to blame".
> there is zero evidence linking them to climate change - they did a study and found no effect Can you point to this study? Or at least point to this "they" to whom you're referring?
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> there is zero evidence linking them to climate change - they did a study and found no effect Can you point to this study? Or at least point to this "they" to whom you're referring?
My bad for double posting, but they are probably referring to [this one]( https://www.worldweatherattribution.org/climate-change-incre... ), which says the exact opposite.
Watch this if you want more info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDsjeKo3u3o
Re: Coffea stenophylla: A forgotten bean that could save coffee from extinction
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
These days everything is blamed on climate change. And when people point out natural variation, they get bashed. A recent example is the CA fires, there is zero evidence linking them to climate change - they did a study and found no effect - which of course was reported as "climate change to blame".
What are you talking about? The burden is on you to explain how manipulating the chemical makeup of the atmosphere DOESN'T have a direct impact, even at the tiniest levels (1ppm). At the levels we're at now, CO2e imbalances definitely impact every single weather event on the planet to some degree, and you'd have to be delusional not to accept that.
If you want to claim a change anyway, the burden is on you to do the modeling and math to prove it.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
These days everything is blamed on climate change. And when people point out natural variation, they get bashed. A recent example is the CA fires, there is zero evidence linking them to climate change - they did a study and found no effect - which of course was reported as "climate change to blame".
Unless we're talking about two different studies, saying you misinterpreted it is an understatement ( https://www.worldweatherattribution.org/climate-change-incre... )
Re: Coffea stenophylla: A forgotten bean that could save coffee from extinction
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As the article states, the taste is complex beyond our understanding. "When it comes to taste, coffee is amazingly complex. A single cup may contain up to 1,200 volatile compounds. Yet what you perceive in a cup depends on many things besides the plant’s genome: the environment in which it grew, the weather, the roast, the water used for brewing. Even the color of the cup matters. White makes coffee seem more intense…
tbh i drink a coffee in the morning every day, no sugar, i think it tastes objectively terrible, like bitter dirt, but it's hijacked my reward pathway in the same way that nicotine or ethanol does, that it makes me enjoy the taste somehow
Bitter generally means "overextracted" (and sour is the indicator for underextracted) The remedy is some combination of cooler water (maybe 90C), shorter brewing time, coarser grind. Also, wait for it to cool off - excellent coffee is almost always bitter when piping hot, but gets delicious when it has become warm.
Freshly roasted beans, and freshly ground for the brew, is crucial as well. Green beans keep their flavor for, let's say, 15 months. Roasted 15 days. Ground 15 minutes. All preground coffee in the grocery store is garbage. (Let alone instant coffee, which was low-grade to begin with, brewed en masse, rapidly dehydrated, and the remaining solids put in a jar for rehydration)
Of course, many have no interest in any of this process, and that's fine. But they're stuck with bland and/or bitter coffee...
Though, you don't need anything fancy to make good coffee. French press is dead-simple and consistent, and you don't even need a French press - you can use any recipient (eg a jar) and then just carefully pour the coffee out and try to leave the sludge behind. A careful Cowboy coffee, essentially.
Give it a try - you might get some enjoyment out of your addiction. Though, I've basically quit coffee altogether as my body has become immensely sensitive to caffeine, to the extent that half a cup daily will subtly mess up my whole life.
Re: Coffea stenophylla: A forgotten bean that could save coffee from extinction
#140Maybe the answer is for someone to work on boosting natural caffeine levels in yaupon holly tea. It grows wild all over the SE US and can withstand multi-year drought or regular floods though it does best in a situation where it gets regular rainfall. You may have some in your own yard used as a hedge plant. I have several large trees on my place. It spreads underground by suckers and will take over an area if you do…
> Maybe the answer is for someone to work on boosting natural caffeine levels in yaupon holly tea The problem isn't getting caffeine, though. You can buy a tub of 200mg caffeine pills for $3. People like coffee. Substituting coffee isn't just a matter of caffeine for drinkers.
The vast majority of caffeine that is available to add to products is extracted from coffee arabica. Either from the creation of decaf coffee or from other plant matter. IE caffeine is a useful byproduct of coffee arabica production.
There are most definitely other sources of caffeine, but if coffee arabica is no longer grown/harvested in the quantity it is currently, you would expect the cost of caffeine to increase significantly. I doubt we’d have shortages or anything like that, but I suppose it’s possible.