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Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by chrisa » Tue, Apr 01, 2025, 1:35 AM UTC

MostlyStable wrote: post #42

aNapierkowski wrote: post #28

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wait is this real? this is a thing ive been wanting, some channels that are fine are not in ytkids and some of the stuff in ytkids is just junk if we could curate a whitelist that would be perfect

I think you can only whitelist channels that are approved kids channels, not from the full youtube library, but it does allow you to avoid the ocean of crap and pick just the good stuff.

You can actually share any channel!

It is a very hidden feature though. You have to link your kids account to yours, and then in the Youtube mobile app (not on the web), you can click the three dots button and then share > "with kids"

So that way you can build up a whitelist of channels that they can see in the YT kids account.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by tombert » Tue, Apr 01, 2025, 1:35 AM UTC

carlosjobim wrote: post #123

tombert wrote: post #117

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> What made his story so special that it was told and remembered for thousands of years by real people with real lives to worry about? I don't know. Maybe a lot of people agree with the message of "always listen to God and things will work out". That doesn't mean it's good morality, or a good way to live your life. While there's certainly selection bias in good stories surviving the test of time, I don't think it's 1…

The whole purpose of sacrifice is that it should give a reward from God or the gods. Good harvest, good luck in war, good health for your herds, etc. The part where the angel is blessing Abraham after the whole ordeal and swears that he will be rewarded, I interpret as a reaffirmation that Abraham will reap the full rewards even though he didn't sacrifice his child. Ancient worshippers didn't only expect a reward for…

I think the story would have been more powerful if Abraham himself had decided to not do the sacrifice, and deciding that no matter what God is offering it's not worth it, sort of like the Huck Finn "All right, then, I'll go to hell". That would be an interesting case of doing what you know is right, no matter who is telling you to do something wrong.

As it stands, it's a decidedly kind of weird story where we're supposed to root for Abraham, despite the fact that he was willing to sacrifice another human being just because someone told him to. Yes, that someone was "God", but that doesn't change my point.

I have to admit that I didn't completely understand where you were going with the second part. I'm not sure what you were asking in regards to "what proof I have"? Proof that I don't think a God exists? Proof that I value human life? Proof that I think it's wrong to kill someone just because you hear a voice that tells you to? Even if that voice actually were God?

I mean, I don't really know how to prove that. That's just my belief, I guess you could say I'm lying about that, but I don't know what to tell you there.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by curiousgal » Tue, Apr 01, 2025, 1:43 AM UTC

Roritharr wrote: post #9

What Kagi or anyone could work on, is an actually working version of YouTube Kids. I literally Pi-Hole Blocked all of YouTube after my son started reading the Bible after a Minecraft Influencer started preaching throughout most of his videos to the point my son became a bit too much interested in the topic. Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via h…

Shocking at this may seem, it is your job as a parent to protect your kid and not expect a platform to do it for you. It's not that hard to limit kids' screen time and control the content. A simple yt-dlp cron job with Jellyfin would work fine.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by reaperman » Tue, Apr 01, 2025, 1:44 AM UTC

bombcar wrote: post #76

skydhash wrote: post #15

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Why not curate a video repository? I think novelty is actually overrated and even harmful for kid. Deeper exploration on familiar subject may be beneficial as that would let his/her imagination to take on the job of inventing new things.

Jellyfin + ytdlp + playlists = pretty good, in general. and avoids ads; the ads are worse than almost anything else you can find.

If it’s just the ads that are the issue, paying for YouTube premium would be a similar cost solution, and funnel some money to good creators.

Towards a better Jellyfin solution, I wonder if adding Whisper and an LLM model could transcribe the YT videos and flag any which contains themes that go against parents values.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by Aeolun » Tue, Apr 01, 2025, 1:50 AM UTC

Minor49er wrote: post #59

kridsdale1 wrote: post #31

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I did this. I set up a plex server in my home that connects to a NAS which has the full runs of every PBS style kids show that I could find and found good reviews of. Along with classic movies. Just trying to recreate the media conditions of my youth, with modern content as well as long as it’s “pure”. I’m also putting me-vetted YouTube content like Kurzgesagt on it.

You might want to vet your video collection more closely. Kurzgesagt got into hot water a few years ago after it came out that they were being sponsored by large corporations to push messaging that used those sponsors' publications as primary sources. They're not as unpartial and objective as they lead people to believe

If it's hard enough to notice that you need someone on HN to point it out to you, it's probably fine.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by Aeolun » Tue, Apr 01, 2025, 1:56 AM UTC

tombert wrote: post #51

piokoch wrote: post #33

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There are parts of the Bible where a prostitute is mutilated, butchered, and shipped to her rapists [1], parts where a woman fantasizes about men with donkey dicks and horse cum [2], parts where a father is seduced by and impregnates his daughters [3], children being murdered for making fun of a bald guy [4], and many, many more things that I don't think would be appropriate for a small child. It's fine if you believ…

If they're old enough to be able to read it, I'm inclined to believe they're old enough to figure out that the 0.01% of weird shit that happens in it is not representative of the whole. Kids aren't stupid.

Also, it seems an outlier amongst outliers that your child manages to read through the whole of a version of the bible that actually includes those sections, and does it without you noticing and/or explaining that not everything in there should be taken literally.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by Aeolun » Tue, Apr 01, 2025, 2:09 AM UTC

tombert wrote: post #110

carlosjobim wrote: post #96

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> Abraham being super willing to murder his son to make God happy. Sacrificing your own children is a human behaviour so common through history and with different cultures, that it's basically a biological instinct. Even today parents send their sons to die in industrialized war to prove their faith for the government, as well as sacrifice their children in ways that are less explicit than that - always to prove thei…

He's considered a moral and good character purely because he was fully willing to sacrifice his child. Even if God did stop it at the last second, we're supposed to think that the morally correct thing to do was to listen to God and murder his child. I don't know that I agree with your take, I don't think it's meant to be interpreted as a limit to sacrifice. If that's what you got out of it, that's good, I don't thin…

> He's considered a moral and good character purely because he was fully willing to sacrifice his child. We're supposed to think that the morally correct thing to do was to listen to God and murder his child.

The whole point of the story is that Abraham is even willing to sacrifice the son he loves because god wills it. It's a story about having faith that there is a good reason for what god requests of you, even if you don't always know what it is. Abraham is virtuous because he doesn't question at all.

I'm not sure anymore if the story skips over the heartache this undoubtedly causes him.

Of course more cynical people immediately ask why god needs Abraham to sacrifice his son to no apparent benefit other than to prove his faith in the first place.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by Aeolun » Tue, Apr 01, 2025, 2:15 AM UTC

Capricorn2481 wrote: post #107

carlosjobim wrote: post #96

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> Abraham being super willing to murder his son to make God happy. Sacrificing your own children is a human behaviour so common through history and with different cultures, that it's basically a biological instinct. Even today parents send their sons to die in industrialized war to prove their faith for the government, as well as sacrifice their children in ways that are less explicit than that - always to prove thei…

> The story of Abraham is a way to break that spell That's an extremely generous interpretation. You say the story is about breaking the cycle of pernicious child sacrifice. But there's nothing in the story that supports that view, you just said it because it's the most palatable interpretation of a straightforward story: Obey God, and he may give you mercy (not having to kill your kid). And you conveniently ignore M…

> And you conveniently ignore Moses killing all the first-borns.

I don't think it's really Moses killing all the first-borns. It's God. While he's complicit to some extent, he doesn't really have a choice in the matter.

While he could theoretically ask for mercy, God isn't exactly known for his compassion at that point in the story. He only really mellows out a bit when he has his own child.

Not to mention that Moses's got pretty good motivation. How many people stuck in a concentration camp would happily murder all first-borns in Germany given the chance?

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by Aeolun » Tue, Apr 01, 2025, 2:17 AM UTC

Capricorn2481 wrote: post #124

carlosjobim wrote: post #112

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We are on such a different level of understanding, that there isn't any point in us two talking to each other – about anything. Feel free to take that as a compliment.

> We are on such a different level of understanding, that there isn't any point in us two talking to each other That would be a very convenient conclusion, but ultimately not true. Willfully misinterpreting a story so that it sounds morally palatable for a modern world is not a different level of understanding, it's propaganda, and it's extremely common. And when I'm not doing my day job, I am reading, discussing, an…

> That would be a very convenient conclusion, but ultimately not true.

> Willfully misinterpreting

I don't think it works this way. If we've established that we're trying to interpret something, you cannot just claim that your interpretation is the right one, and someone else's is wrong.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by Aeolun » Tue, Apr 01, 2025, 2:22 AM UTC

Carrok wrote: post #101

bsima wrote: post #36

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If you think an 8 year old should read the bible, it makes me think you haven't actually read the whole thing. Some pretty atrocious stuff in there.

I mean, if you are reading it together you can skip over those parts? Or explain them in context? Better yet, get a bible more suited for children. The real thing is so dry I feel it'd be nearly impossible for children to take any interest.