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James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

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Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

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Complete layman's question: If we would indeed be inside a black hole wouldn't we be able to observe new energy and matter entering? Related question: the horizon of a black hole is expanding when the mass increases. Could this map to the expansion of our universe, which seems to expand faster and faster?

What about black hole new mass/energy converting into orthogonal space ??? ( ..is it part of Principia Unitas ??).

Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

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Yes, but one half of a galaxy would get redshifted, and the other blueshifted, no matter which direction it spins in. So why would that change its overall brightness? (Though one of the papers notes that the tiny change in brightness this causes isn't enough to explain the large difference in spin directions)

The close and far sides get shifted too, and those have different brightness.

No, 'like_any_other has it right: any physical system is 1-to-1 isomorphic with its mirror image, which is spinning the opposite direction.

Whatever asymmetry you're visualizing for one galaxy, its mirror-image galaxy is equally physical, and possesses the same asymmetry.

Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

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If all of the galaxies we see rotate the same way, are we “looking down” from a pole and seeing only those with the same rotation we have, as opposed to a more equatorial view that would be evenly split.

But the universe isn’t spherical. I’m not sure I understand this hypothesis as explained.

But the observable universe roughly is.

Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

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Seems like we've got a few of these imbalances now where you'd expect 50:50 but instead it's skewed to one side where nature had a different idea Matter-antimatter ratio Left vs right handed molecules Now galaxy spin directions Maybe there are others I missed too

I honestly start thinking that the idea "everything should be symmetric in some way..." is completely wrong, and an example of wishful thinking "...because it would be cool if it did". Even if nature is in some way balanced on a scale large enough, it's extremely unlikely for us not to be in some local pocket. Most likely we're a part of some bigger structure that has certain properties, and this affects our percepti…

> Most likely we're a part of some bigger structure that has certain properties, and this affects our perception of the laws of physics.

Which would also be the reason we have the laws of physics we do in general.

Anything seemingly ad hoc in our universal (from our vantage) viewpoint is potentially explainable as a pocket among all other possible distributions/combinations of relations.

Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If all of the galaxies we see rotate the same way, are we “looking down” from a pole and seeing only those with the same rotation we have, as opposed to a more equatorial view that would be evenly split.

But the universe isn’t spherical. I’m not sure I understand this hypothesis as explained.

This along blows my mind: I picture this bin bang and everything expanding from that point and... that everything is now a sphere. In my mind. But it isn't? Yes, I know next to nothing but love thinking about all of this.

Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

#136
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If all of the galaxies we see rotate the same way, are we “looking down” from a pole and seeing only those with the same rotation we have, as opposed to a more equatorial view that would be evenly split.

But the universe isn’t spherical. I’m not sure I understand this hypothesis as explained.

How do you know?

Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

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> Due to an effect called the Doppler shift, astronomers expect galaxies rotating opposite to the Milky Way’s motion to appear brighter How does this work? The page it links to doesn't explain why rotation would matter. Edit: To clarify - one side of the galaxy would be moving towards us, and one away from us, no matter which direction it spins in, so this should not affect the average brightness of the entire galaxy…

I think this may be a subtle reference to what is usually called "relativistic beaming" or "Doppler beaming" [0], though I normally associate this effect with matter that is moving quite close to the speed of light. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_beaming

perihelions [1] phrased it best - a galaxy spinning clockwise is just the mirror image of one spinning counter-clockwise. So why should mirroring change brightness? I don't really understand why Doppler beaming would cause this (though one of the papers did also mention it).

The other question is - what does the rotation of our own galaxy have to do with it? Let's keep the Solar system as is, and mirror the rest of the Milky Way around it, so that it is now spinning the opposite direction. Why should this affect the apparent brightness of other galaxies? Especially since the Solar system is effectively moving in a straight line, on the scale of a human lifetime.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43535285

Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

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The inner black hole did not come from the outside, it formed inside and if i had to guess, it is stuck in the inside together with all the other matter, unable to interact with the outside of the outer black hole.

Just thinking about this infinite recursion gives me the mental equivalent of a stack overflow.

I don't think it is infinite - each universe can only have that mass/energy that fell into the outer black hole in the parent universe. At some level you'll inevitably have black holes with universes that do not have enough mass to form another inner black hole.

Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

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- "Doppler shift, astronomers expect galaxies rotating opposite to the Milky Way’s motion to appear brighter" But how does that work?

I'm not an astronomer, but my intuition is this: When the source of the light is moving towards the observer, each successive photon emission happens from a position closer to the observer than the previous photon. Hence, from the observer's perspective, the time between photons is reduced, meaning more photons are observed in a given time, and the brightness is increased. When we observe a galaxy that is rotating op…

From the perspective of us looking directly down on a parallel “plate” of a galaxy (with the other galaxy viewing us in the same way), relative differences in speed for the situation of same direction of rotation will be much smaller than for opposite directions.

But between any point in one galaxy to another, just as much matter will be moving closer as moving away. Regardless of same or opposite rotations.

But perhaps greater red shift and greater blue shift (as apposed to lesser of both) as a practical matter of telescopes vs. their cross spectrum sensitivities, means more light detected.

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