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A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by nilslindemann »

itissid wrote: post #26

Its just people. People are the same everywhere, and are fundamentally unpredictable systems. How large groups behave does depends to a certain extent on context: by compared to others and your socio-economic situation. How they publicly expressed their values are entirely different from their behavior. This is to the dread of incumbent governments and pollsters. If you starve a wealthy man for 2 weeks he will be rea…

What you say seems to be an exaggerated view of the world ("It's just people"). You confuse a few people with sociopathic trails with the average normal human with a heart and a conscience.

The examples you give come from environments which are likely to attract sociopaths. You yourself are with a higher probability a narcissist than the average human [1].

[1] https://scholarspace.manoa.hawaii.edu/items/96cff233-cefd-45...

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by janderson215 »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #126
neaden wrote: post #117

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If you grew up in Saudi Arabia raised by a typical family then yeah sure, you probably would be fine with it. Culture of course shapes people and I think it's silly to pretend you could freely swap adults but that doesn't mean that people are fundamentally different.

That's not what he asked you. You answered some other question.

The question that was asked was not to confirm what GP said, it was combative to try to position GP as a bad person. Basically the equivalent of saying “so you’re saying you would be okay killing Jews if you lived in Nazi Germany.”

GP answered to clarify their position and answered the only question that should have been asked, the equivalent of, “if during my childhood I was indoctrinated by the Hitler Youth program, yes I probably would have done this horrible thing and so would you.”

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by lukan »

jajko wrote: post #111
mr_toad wrote: post #95

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> We have cultures that throw gay people off the roofs, and cultures that celebrate them. And you could take single individuals from either culture and drop them in the other culture, and most of them would happily act and think just like the new culture, and swear blind that they’d always thought that way. It would be an interesting experiment to see how many individuals you could replace one-by-one before the cultu…

Hahaha. Take a look at western Europe. Vast majority of the immigrants from neither Africa or Middle east didn't adopt any of the core values of their host country even after decade+. More often than not, even second generation has very different values. What happens is isolated or connected silos of original values surviving a lot of generations. Just ask Germans or French or Belgian folks, or go there. The idea was…

"Vast majority of the immigrants from neither Africa or Middle east didn't adopt any of the core values of their host country even after decade"

Depends. I think in their home countries, Muslim youth does not hang around drunk in the park, that is more of a european thing, erm. cultural value. So they clearly adopted.

Ok, so that was satirical. But they are the ones bothering me. I am not bothered by women wearing a Hijab and I don't see that hurting our values.

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by mantas »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #120
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #114

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Do you want the Orange Man to bring back all those prisoners he sent to EL Salvador? Would you like them in your neighborhood?

I just find it fascinating how some people are perfectly fine with rich criminals, but want to get rid of the poor criminals. It makes me wonder what their real motivations are.

Crimes by random thugs is affecting day-to-day life much more than corrupt politicians stuffing their pockets with public money.

Getting stabbed on the street vs somebody giving a government contract to a buddy? If I must choose, I’d rather take the later tbh.

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by inglor_cz »

lukan wrote: post #133
jajko wrote: post #111

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Hahaha. Take a look at western Europe. Vast majority of the immigrants from neither Africa or Middle east didn't adopt any of the core values of their host country even after decade+. More often than not, even second generation has very different values. What happens is isolated or connected silos of original values surviving a lot of generations. Just ask Germans or French or Belgian folks, or go there. The idea was…

"Vast majority of the immigrants from neither Africa or Middle east didn't adopt any of the core values of their host country even after decade" Depends. I think in their home countries, Muslim youth does not hang around drunk in the park, that is more of a european thing, erm. cultural value. So they clearly adopted. Ok, so that was satirical. But they are the ones bothering me. I am not bothered by women wearing a…

The Hijab is the least problem. The polls among European Muslims that show their attitudes towards secularism and various human rights that we take for granted (such as "abandoning your religion") are the problem. As are the consequences, such as parallel societies and the visible tip of the iceberg = actual terrorists and the whole infrastructure for recruiting them and sending them to jihadist hotspots.

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by guappa »

mantas wrote: post #134
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #120

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I just find it fascinating how some people are perfectly fine with rich criminals, but want to get rid of the poor criminals. It makes me wonder what their real motivations are.

Crimes by random thugs is affecting day-to-day life much more than corrupt politicians stuffing their pockets with public money. Getting stabbed on the street vs somebody giving a government contract to a buddy? If I must choose, I’d rather take the later tbh.

Is it? A thug might occasionally steal your wallet. Rich criminals make sure you will not get cure for whatever illness you will surely get as you get older.

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by guappa »

tomp wrote: post #119
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #100

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They always say that, until you talk about legalizing more immigration, then you find out that no, they don't want any more immigration period.

I don’t think that anyone minds immigration of highly educated people from advanced civilized countries that have aligned values and respect local cultures. But illegal and legal immigrants from other countries mainly consume taxpayer resources and spread crime and violence.

Of course they do mind, ask any dark skinned person with a university degree about their experiences.

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by arghwhat »

absolutelastone wrote: post #97
arghwhat wrote: post #55

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Or when a restaurant owner inexplexably has really low private food expenditure, or has really low revenue on paper despite being relatively popular, or small companies having a lot of company dinners, or labor workers having a lot of company places to go in their company porsche SUV, or... The reason regular salaried employees do this less, limited to the kind of sort arbejde ("under the table" labor) you describe i…

Seems to me salaried workers would be a category that is more conscientious by self-selection. They are comfortable working within the rules of a system and less willing to take risks such as by violating those rules.

Yeah, but that there is such a distinction is a little sad. The use of companies for tax avoidance can also lead to some prejudice against small companies in general, which is unfair to those playing nice.

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by guappa »

nolito wrote: post #112
croes wrote: post #59

Will that change Denmark‘s position in the Corruption Perception Index? https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2024 I always thought the lower the more realistic

I d'ont. Im portuguese living in Denmark for many years. The difference is just perception. The portuguese say: "this shitty country is so corrupt". I never encountered any corruption in Portugal. The danes say: "See we are the best and justest country in the World without corruption". Facts say otherwise. Just google Lars Løkke Rasmussen and take a look at his actions

Italian living in sweden. It's 100% identical. They don't even bother to hide it, because there can't be corruption here by definition. So to us it's so obvious.

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by decimalenough »

Gud wrote: post #127
decimalenough wrote: post #109

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The Economist did a famous analysis of IKEA's tax structure: https://www.economist.com/business/2006/05/11/flat-pack-acco... TL;DR: The only beneficiaries of INGKA's charity are the owner and his family.

Sorry, that TL;DR is completely false. 1) the ”owner” is long dead. 2) the foundation is set up in such a way to perpetuate itself and its goal (to better mankind), forever. Not to generate wealth for Ingvar Kamprads offspring. He hardly left them penniless. His family does not control his foundations. They have a minority vote. 3) if the world’s billionaires set up their organisations in similar ways, the world woul…

Quoting TFA: What emerges is an outfit that ingeniously exploits the quirks of different jurisdictions to create a charity, dedicated to a somewhat banal cause, that is not only the world's richest foundation, but is at the moment also one of its least generous. The overall set-up of IKEA minimises tax and disclosure, handsomely rewards the founding Kamprad family and makes IKEA immune to a takeover.
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