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Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by defrost »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #129
throwawayk7h wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mentioned this elsewhere, but the U.S. is already denying entry visas for transgender travellers, either as a follow-up to this E.O. or based on the same principles as it. This doesn't seem hysterical to me.

This is just misinformation. Requiring factually accurate sex information to be submitted is not the same as discriminating against some group. It’s just common sense. EDIT - response to defrost’s comment below: The Australian passport doesn’t require fatally accurate information per your own link: > Customers who identify as a gender other than male or female (intersex, indeterminate, unspecified, non-binary) may re…

> It’s a biological reality.

The biological reality being that at birth babies are clearly reproductively male or reproductively female in roughly 98% of cases.

It's less clear for roughly 2% and indeterminate by any single means (chromosones, gametes, external organs) in small percentage ( 0.02% ) of cases.

Because of that biological reality various countries allow for people that were born neither [F] nor [M] to have a third option to avoid them having to lie on their passport.

The Australian passport requires factually accurate information and therefore allows [M], [F], and [X].

How do US border accept this under the current administration in light of the recent note by the current POTUS?

https://www.dfat.gov.au/about-us/publications/corporate/pass...

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by croes »

silisili wrote: post #110
croes wrote: post #90

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People are still killed for being different, they just aren’t called witches. >But I'll never insult someone for trying, no matter the method. No matter the method is a bad take, that’s how we got gruesome people doing gruesome experiments on people who need treatment. And the camp thing is pretty old and they always end the same: abuse of power.

> No matter the method is a bad take Perhaps, but I have family going through this and it just makes you so mad. I'd pay to send him to a camp where he's beat with a bullwhip every day if I knew it could cure him. Perhaps it clouds my judgment a bit, but the alternative is just watching him die, which I'm not stoked about.

> if I knew it could cure him

Would you do the same if the chance of curing or killing him is 50:50?

Or if it’s uncertain that it works at all?

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by orthecreedence »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #122

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> I will now spend some time looking up five articles of American citizens detained in some way in Europe and other parts of the world.

While you're at it, you should stick your fingers in your ears and shout LALALALALA.

I love my country, but it's a real shitburger right now. Just because we haven't fully closed our borders to all foreigners doesn't mean there isn't some insidious nastiness happening right now.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by istjohn »

gabaix wrote: post #42

> Some have been tortured. Is there any evidence of this?

> Senior described Schmidt being “violently interrogated” at Logan Airport for hours, and being stripped naked, put in a cold shower by two officials, and being put back onto a chair.

> She said Schmidt told her immigration agents pressured him to give up his green card. She said he was placed on a mat in a bright room with other people at the airport, with little food or water, suffered sleep deprivation, and was denied access to his medication for anxiety and depression.

> “He hardly got anything to drink. And then he wasn’t feeling very well and he collapsed,” said Senior.

> He was transported by ambulance to Mass General Hospital. He didn’t know it at the time, but he also had influenza.

0. https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2025-03-14/green-card-holder...

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Post by broodbucket »

spartanatreyu wrote: post #67
koakuma-chan wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The orders are supposed to "sound" reasonable. If it was obvious what the consequences of the order were to everyone, it would be far less palatable.

It doesn't sound reasonable at all. It forbids referring to trans men as men and trans women as women. It's draconian and horrifying.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by vanviegen »

rhaps0dy wrote: post #4
PLMUV9A4UP27D wrote: post #3

At my company we make a niche software used by companies globally. Our plan was to arrange a conference in the US for our clients in North/Cental America. Considering the state of the US, we will probably cancel it, as we don't expect our Mexican and Canadian clients to feel comfortable at all. Neither do we at the head office in Europe. We will instead host it in Europe most likely.

You could host it in Mexico or Canada, they're pretty nice!

For many travellers it would be hard to find a flight plan without a stop in the US though.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by crummy »

briandear wrote: post #127
throwawayk7h wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a threat to transgender travellers; I know many in the tech industry. The U.S. is now denying entry visas to transgender travellers as well.

Who was denied a visa for being trans? Citation needed. Were they denied because they were trans, or were they denied for another reason but happened to be trans.

If sex on your passport doesn't match your sex at birth then according to Marco Rubio you may have your visa rejected.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by viraptor »

graeme wrote: post #41
oldgradstudent wrote: post #23

Is this a parody? > Beyond problems at the border, the current Secretary for Health and Human Services - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - has said that he will send those with ADHD to camps. Source: Futurism. What he actually said: > "I’m going to dedicate that revenue to creating wellness farms — drug rehabilitation farms, in rural areas all over this country," he said during the podcast. "I’m going to make it so people can…

The full quote extends that to adderal. To be clear he said the wellness farms would be for those who want to go, and he's describing a massive undertaking that you'd see coming before it was implemented. But he was definitely talking about ADHD. This tweet has the short video of him actually including adderal. https://x.com/MotherJones/status/1816180369110270435

Keep in mind he's also a guy who, contradicting all the available evidence, is saying incorrect things about the nature of adhd and dips heavily into moral issues when discussing medical problems. So any facilities related to his ideas are unlikely to provide actually care.
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