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Claude can now search the web

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Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by _heimdall »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #125
Almondsetat wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. LLMs are truly reaching human-like behavior then

The longer I've been in the workforce, the more I realize most humans actually kind of suck at their jobs. LLMs being more human like is the opposite of what I want.

That could very well be because the jobs are effectively useless. By no means does that mean the people are, nor is what the income allows them to do. But most jobs sure do seem pointless.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by Beijinger »

magackame wrote: post #121
tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

Google search is crap. It seems to be a sentiment among many HNers, but is it really that bad? I mostly use it for programming, so documentation/forums and it works out greatly. For some queries it even returns personal blogs (which people seem to bash google for not happening). Of course there are some queries that return purely AI blogspam, but reformatting the query with a bit more thought usually solves it. I won…

Is google search bad? Click here to find ten reasons why it is bad and 10 reasons why you should still use it.

Yes, it is that bad.

Website of Nike? Website of Starbucks? Likely position number one.

Every product, category etc., e.g. what rice cooker should I buy? Is diseased by link and affiliate spam. There is a reason why people put +reddit on search terms.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by aaronbaugher »

Ukv wrote: post #98
bayindirh wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, do you mean LLMs are human-like and conscious? I thought they were just machine code running on part GPU and part CPU.

I think they mean that it's a tool accessing URLs in response to a user request to present to the user live - with that user being a human. Like if you used some webpage translation service, or non-ML summarizer. There's some gray area though, and the search engine indexing in advance (not sure if they've partnered with Bing/Google/...) should still follow robots.txt.

Yeah, that seems to be a big distinction. If I tell my AI to summarize the headlines from my three favorite news sites every morning, it's just carrying out my request same as if I'd clicked to them, so that seems fine.

But if I say, "Search the web for a low-carb chicken casserole recipe that takes squash and cottage cheese," then it's either going to A) send queries to a search engine like Google, in which case robots.txt already should have been respected, or B) check its own repository of information it's spidered before I asked the question, in which case it should have respected robots.txt itself.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by bravetraveler »

_heimdall wrote: post #131
yoyohello13 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The longer I've been in the workforce, the more I realize most humans actually kind of suck at their jobs. LLMs being more human like is the opposite of what I want.

That could very well be because the jobs are effectively useless. By no means does that mean the people are, nor is what the income allows them to do. But most jobs sure do seem pointless.

The work is mysterious and important

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by Arnt »

mtkd wrote: post #57
NBJack wrote: post #10

I wonder if it will actually respect the robots.txt this time.

Do really think LLM vendors that download 80TB+ of data over torrents are going to be labeling their crawler agents correctly and running them out of known datacenters?

The ones I noticed in my logfiles behave impeccably: retrieve robots.txt every week or so and act on it.

(I noticed Claude, OpenAI and a couple of others whose names were less familiar to me.)

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by willio58 »

joshstrange wrote: post #110

Massive props to Anthropic for announcing a feature _and_ making it available for everyone right away. OpenAI is so annoying in this aspect. They will regularly give timelines for rollout that not met or simply wrong. Edit: "Everyone" = Everyone who pays. Sorry if this sounds mean but I don't care about what the free tier gets or when. As a paying user for both Anthropic and OpenAI I was just pointing out the rollout…

> OpenAI is so annoying in this aspect. They will regularly give timelines for rollout that not met or simply wrong.

I have empathy for the engineers in this case. You know it’s a combination of sales/marketing/product getting WAY ahead of themselves by doing this. Then the engineers have to explain why they cannot in fact reach an arbitrary deadline.

Meanwhile the people not in the work get to blame those working on the code for not hitting deadlines

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by hibikir »

tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

Imagine how much fun it will be when the breakthrough in search engine quality comes from companies building a better engine to get good LLM answers.

This is ultimately google's problem: They are making money from the fact that the page is now mostly ads and not necessarily going to lead to a good, quick answer, leading to even more ads. They probably lose money if they make their search better

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by hooli_gan »

HankWozHere wrote: post #124
tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

Kagi Assistant allows you to do search with LLM queries. So far I feel it bears reliable results. For instance - I tried couple of queries for product suggestions and came back with some good results. Whilst it’s a premium service , I find the offering to be of good value.

Does it just start a search or does the chat continue with the results? Would be cool to continue the chat with result, which were filtered acording to the blacklist.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by chrisweekly »

HankWozHere wrote: post #124
tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

Kagi Assistant allows you to do search with LLM queries. So far I feel it bears reliable results. For instance - I tried couple of queries for product suggestions and came back with some good results. Whilst it’s a premium service , I find the offering to be of good value.

Yeah, Kagi's search results are so much better than Google's, it defies comparison.
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