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Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by TheAlchemist »

dgfitz wrote: post #70
TheAlchemist wrote: post #52

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That's the funny thing here. In case of Musk, if those protests work and as you say 'the jig is up', he can go from the richest man on earth to bankrupt in a space of months. He is very 'cash poor' and has pledged a lot of Tesla shares as collateral to fund his other businesses. If Tesla is priced as an automaker (shares would be in the ±10-20$), Musk will be bankrupt.

> Musk will be bankrupt. Then what? “We win” somehow? Nailed it? Who cares?

Yes we do. A lot of people, for a lot of different reasons.

For me, it will be the end of the biggest con, the stock market has ever seen. And I can't wait to read about the details behind it, once the dust settles.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by sshine »

EnergyAmy wrote: post #105
qwerpy wrote: post #99

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Having political viewpoints is fine. Protesting at their showrooms is fine. Making purchasing decisions for yourself based on your political viewpoints, also fine. Punishing people (vandalism, scrawling Nazi symbols, hostile/threatening interactions on the road) for owning a brand of car and not sharing your viewpoints is not fine.

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Because it is destruction of private property. If you can destroy my car, I can set fire to your house, because, you know, Swastihouse. Our society hinges on protecting individual citizens from vandals and thieves, otherwise we’re back to the jungle.

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Post by lovich »

milesrout wrote: post #66
kerkeslager wrote: post #47

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> The Musk derangement syndrome is strong here still, I see.

I just realized you’re the other guy glazing musk in this thread.

How do you have someone who makes themselves the center of attention constantly, does polarizing shit like carry a chainsaw into the government to symbolize how he’s cutting it all down, and by his own admission is doing things that will upset people,

And then you waltz in here and accuse all of us of being deranged for even talking about it?

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Post by trilbyglens »

dgfitz wrote: post #70
TheAlchemist wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the funny thing here. In case of Musk, if those protests work and as you say 'the jig is up', he can go from the richest man on earth to bankrupt in a space of months. He is very 'cash poor' and has pledged a lot of Tesla shares as collateral to fund his other businesses. If Tesla is priced as an automaker (shares would be in the ±10-20$), Musk will be bankrupt.

> Musk will be bankrupt. Then what? “We win” somehow? Nailed it? Who cares?

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Post by mrangle »

n4r9 wrote: post #76
renewiltord wrote: post #44

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It is unequivocally terrorism to participate in violence against civilians with the aim of causing political change. And it's domestic because it's here. It's definitionally correct.

Spray painting Teslas is not "violence against civilians". Even setting fire to them in a showroom is debatable if it's at night when no one's about.

It is terrorism, indisputably. Arguing other point is relatively inconsequential. But if we were to argue the point, to argue that spray-paint isn't "violence" isn't going to have much credibility when it's perceived to be from the long standing "words are violence" and "silence is violence" crowd. A selective standard is no standard at all. How the spray paint differs is that it is property destruction in service of intimidation toward a political end.

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Post by saturn8601 »

powersnail wrote: post #102
back7co wrote: post #42

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If you look at places like Reddit where the organizing is happening, they don't differentiate between left-leaning buyers of years past, and in fact call them out for being complicit by not selling their (paid for?) car. It's scorched earth and is not limited to new buyers.

> It's scorched earth and is not limited to new buyers. This whole thing is about destroying already bought vehicles to intimidate potential new buyers, and thus lowering future sales. Not that I support the vandalism, but I think that's the kind of logic they are applying here.

Build quality is so bad, those old cars will destroy themselves. Wonder how many of the original 2018 model 3 are still on the road. The other day I saw a comment chastising a person complaining about their 120k Model 3 battery failing and how its already at end of life. I was gobsmacked.

I also see reports of some Tesla making it to 500k miles. Honestly there is so much nonsense on both sides and you can't even trust any numbers coming out of Tesla because they have distorted the truth so many times.

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Post by _bin_ »

drooby wrote: post #30
boznz wrote: post #18

Might effect new buyers decisions I guess, but since about 99% of Tesla's were sold to green, left-leaning buyers, before the Elon hate-fest, I am not sure how targeting that group of people for your hatred is helping any "cause".

The whole point is new buyers.. People are protesting Musk. Something like 75% of Musk's current wealth comes from Tesla stock. Tesla stock is going down.. so it is helping the cause

wrong. the people in question are not "protesting" anything. they are committing violent destruction of property against random people who happened to buy an EV. calling them "protesters" only does a disservice to those who actually are. these people are criminals to catch and lock away, nothing more.
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