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Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Post by nchagnet »

DeathArrow wrote: post #53
johndhi wrote: post #19

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I haven't thought about this a ton - but am I wrong that it sounds crazy and inefficient for the government to essentially compete with private industry? It feels like a colliding of worlds and a cannibalization that doesn't make sense to me. Like - if the government launched a messaging app competitive with WhatsApp and it drew users away from WhatsApp and it had better encryption ... Would that actually be better f…

>It feels like a colliding of worlds and a cannibalization that doesn't make sense to me. Like - if the government launched a messaging app competitive with WhatsApp and it drew users away from WhatsApp and it had better encryption ... Would that actually be better for the economy of this country? Something seems off about it to me. The economy works best when anyone does what is supposed to: the Government sticks to…

This argument could be made for healthcare, postal services, and even emergency services. Thankfully in Europe we don't agree with that view. Entrepreneurship is an important engine for innovation, but it doesn't mean our collective representation cannot fund projects which serve the whole community if we see fit.

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Post by thrance »

deskr wrote: post #41
thrance wrote: post #18

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That was funny, but as a Frenchman I don't hold too much hope. Our far right, supporting both Trump and Putin, has been gaining steam with each passing election for the past 20 years. Hopefully the circus currently taking place across the pond is enough to deter some from voting for them, come 2027?

20 years. That's step 1, Demoralization: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQPsKvG6WMI

That was very interesting, Russia switched from pushing "marxism-leninism" to general reactionary ideas, which seem to take better in our current age.

I'd add that they also found powerful allies in western oligarchs, who have a vested interest in the dismantling of the state for personal gains.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

jisnsm wrote: post #103
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #76

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May I clarify my comment. Trust was maybe a different word , maybe hope is the correct word ? (but doesn't everybody trust hope) But I trust the people who can make me hope for a better future by actively not submitting to those people who are actively trying to reduce my hope in better future. There is absolutely no denying that what Trump has done , has absolutely made many people really hopeless. Such levels of in…

I am European. I know who Macron is. I know what he does. If one sees Macron as something other than someone who is willing to sell out his country for his masters, that seems unreasonable to me. If the hope of Europe is put on someone like Macron we know that Europe is hopeless. (I think it is)

Firstly, you raise good points , so can you please elaborate?

also , whom Do you actually put hope on Europe?

> UK actively tries censorship against apple encryption etc.

Yes there are countries like germany whose people are really nice ,and I don't mean to offend any european but maybe its my own fault , but I don't know the name of german prime minister (or is it president?) , yes I can search it , but quite frankly , though I have more knowledge about all the countries and somewhat their borders etc. in europe , I don't remember their politicians except Macron.

It truly shows my ignorance but I just follow world affairs and I don't see many references to other presidents but rather their countries.

I may be wrong , I usually am , but judging from your tone , to me it seems that you wouldn't prefer right / conservative politicans .

Macron is a liberal (I fact checked using wiki) , and you are being dissatisfied with liberal politics considering selling his country for his masters comment?

I still don't understand this comment though , forgive my ignorance and please share references.

I am not sure if I am violating with hacker news comments by being too political and I am sorry for that but I am genuinely interested what your political leanings are.

To me , as a self acclaimed centrist who just believes in georgism and certain measures , these are only some moderately radical , not completely radical like socialism steps that I wish for a govt.

To be honest , I have this feeling that all politicians are evil and you have to choose the leser evil. I can think of running into politics but as a common man , its gonna be quite hard and you really have to engineer yourself for it which can be quite hard for normies so it attracts a lot of people who expect something out of running into politics and not for the good will of the people.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Post by yujzgzc »

jisnsm wrote: post #103
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I clarify my comment. Trust was maybe a different word , maybe hope is the correct word ? (but doesn't everybody trust hope) But I trust the people who can make me hope for a better future by actively not submitting to those people who are actively trying to reduce my hope in better future. There is absolutely no denying that what Trump has done , has absolutely made many people really hopeless. Such levels of in…

I am European. I know who Macron is. I know what he does. If one sees Macron as something other than someone who is willing to sell out his country for his masters, that seems unreasonable to me. If the hope of Europe is put on someone like Macron we know that Europe is hopeless. (I think it is)

Care to elaborate on what you mean by "his masters"?

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Post by esafak »

wslh wrote: post #83
nchagnet wrote: post #6

This is a really great project from both the French and German governments. I think state-funded open source solutions to digital platforms is a fantastic opportunity to get away from the big tech walled gardens. Of course, there is always the risk that this becomes unmaintained in the future, but the community at least can take over. But until then, it's a nice platform and a nice contribution to the community.

> Of course, there is always the risk that this becomes unmaintained in the future We can't even be certain that Notion won't be acquired, deprecated, or poorly maintained in the future. Risks exist on both sides.

It happened to Coda.

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Post by crimsoneer »

mgkimsal wrote: post #4

The closest we get is something like USDS, which then gets hijacked in to DOGE. Open source software built and supported by a national government is inspiring. Are there more examples of this I'm not aware of? I hope so.

I have a scraper that covers open source govtech I keep meaning to tidy up...

https://govtech-report.cloud/

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Post by [deleted] »

thrance wrote: post #132
deskr wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

20 years. That's step 1, Demoralization: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQPsKvG6WMI

That was very interesting, Russia switched from pushing "marxism-leninism" to general reactionary ideas, which seem to take better in our current age. I'd add that they also found powerful allies in western oligarchs, who have a vested interest in the dismantling of the state for personal gains.

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Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

diggan wrote: post #102
myko wrote: post #60

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It is completely reasonable to see France in that light given recent history of the US - a man who should be in prison for insurrection is the head of the executive.

> a man who should be in prison for insurrection is the head of the executive I'm no France-lover (hugs from north-east of Spain), but I think this sums up things pretty well. Someone who would have been jailed in any other democracy, is now the head of government, somehow. Given France's experience with democracy and how hard it is to keep, and America's lack of experience (as a country and democracy), makes me trus…

Exactly!!!

This was the exact sentiment I was trying to capture.

Along with the fact that a lot of american politics simply doesn't make much sense to me following it. So that also helps.

the fact that france's president put his stance forward and corrected american's president's blatant lie also contributed just a little in my ignorant tiny world bubble to really considering about france as a more trustworthy country and then reasoning from it to concluding it as true.

There might be many other countries as well who are more trust worthy than france , but certain events which put them in spotlight would be required for the normies like me to find it.

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