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Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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TBH, I REALLY like the tiny models. Like smollm2. Also lobotomized LLMs ("abliterated") can be a lot of fun.

I think you mean un-lobotomize, and apparently it can be done without retraining? Wild! https://huggingface.co/blog/mlabonne/abliteration

Thanks for clarifying that. I can understand their take. But, I also think of the models without abliteration as lobotomized

Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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PSA: DO NOT USE OLLAMA FOR TESTING. Ollama silently (!!!) drops messages if the context window is exceeded (instead of, you know, just erroring? who in the world made this decision). The workaround until now was to (not use ollama or) make sure to only send a single message. But now they seem to silently truncate single messages as well, instead of erroring! (this explains the sibling comment where a user could not r…

I looked around to get confirmation, and I did find some related issues. Seems like it works properly when context is defined explicitly. There also appears to be a warning logged about "truncating input prompt", so it isn't an entirely silent failure. https://github.com/ollama/ollama/issues/2653 + https://github.com/ollama/ollama/issues/4967 + https://github.com/ollama/ollama/issues/7043 + https://github.com/ollama/ollama/issues/8144

Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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post #73
post #22

After reading the technical report do the effort of downloading the model and run it against a few prompts. In 5 minutes you understand how broken LLM benchmarking is.

Aren't there any "blind" benchmarks?

OpenRouter Arena Ratings are probably the closet thing.

Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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I wrote a mini guide on running Gemma 3 at https://docs.unsloth.ai/basics/tutorial-how-to-run-gemma-3-e... ! The recommended settings according to the Gemma team are: temperature = 0.95 top_p = 0.95 top_k = 64 Also beware of double BOS tokens! You can run my uploaded GGUFs with the recommended chat template and settings via ollama run hf.co/unsloth/gemma-3-27b-it-GGUF:Q4_K_M

Thanks for this, but I'm still unable to reproduce the results from Google AI studio.

I tried your version and when I ask it to create a tetris game in python, the resulting file has syntax errors. I see strange things like a space in the middle of a variable name/reference or weird spacing in the code output.

Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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After reading the technical report do the effort of downloading the model and run it against a few prompts. In 5 minutes you understand how broken LLM benchmarking is.

That's why I like giving it a real world test. For example take a podcast transcription and ask it to make show notes and summary. With a temperature of 0 different models will tackle the problem in different ways and you can infer if they really understood the transcript. Usually the transcripts that I give it come from about 1 hour of audio of two or more people talking.

Good test. I'm slowly accumulating private tests that I use to rate LLMs, and this one was missing... Thanks.

Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The model performs very poorly in practice, while in the benchmark it is shown to be DeepSeek V3 level. It's not terrible but it's at another level compared to the models it is very close to (a bit better / a bit worse) in the benchmarks.

Hey, Gemma engineer here. Can you please share reports on the type of prompts and the implementation you used?

Hello! I tried to show it Redis code yet not released (llama.cpp 4 bit quants and the official web interface) and V3 can reason about the design tradeoffs, but (very understandably) Gemma 3 can't. I also tried to make it write a simple tic tac toe Montecarlo program, and it didn't account for ties, while SOTA models consistently do.

Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

#139

I wrote a mini guide on running Gemma 3 at https://docs.unsloth.ai/basics/tutorial-how-to-run-gemma-3-e... ! The recommended settings according to the Gemma team are: temperature = 0.95 top_p = 0.95 top_k = 64 Also beware of double BOS tokens! You can run my uploaded GGUFs with the recommended chat template and settings via ollama run hf.co/unsloth/gemma-3-27b-it-GGUF:Q4_K_M

Thanks for this, but I'm still unable to reproduce the results from Google AI studio. I tried your version and when I ask it to create a tetris game in python, the resulting file has syntax errors. I see strange things like a space in the middle of a variable name/reference or weird spacing in the code output.

Some models are more sensitive to quantization than others, presumably AI Studio is running the full 16 bit model.

Try maybe the 8bit quant if you have the hardware for it? ollama run hf.co/unsloth/gemma-3-27b-it-GGUF:Q8_0

Re: Gemma3 – The current strongest model that fits on a single GPU

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I have tried a lot of local models. I have 656GB of them on my computer so I have experience with a diverse array of LLMs. Gemma has been nothing to write home about and has been disappointing every single time I have used it. Models that are worth writing home about are; EXAONE-3.5-7.8B-Instruct - It was excellent at taking podcast transcriptions and generating show notes and summaries. Rocinante-12B-v2i - Fun for s…

Could you talk a little more about your D&D usage? This has turned into one of my primary use cases for ChatGPT, cooking up encounters or NPCs with a certain flavour if I don't have time to think something up myself. I've also been working on hooking up to the D&D Beyond API so you can get everything into homebrew monsters and encounters.

May want to check out the Wayfarer models on: https://huggingface.co/LatitudeGames

afaik they are more for roleplaying a D&D style adventure than planning it, but I've heard good things.

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