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Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

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Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

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I don't understand this. It's a tiny backup battery with an expensive enclosure, with only 100W of solar input? How are you expected to run solar wiring with this in your living room? The places that can afford this rarely have power outages, so having an dedicated appliance sitting in your living room or kitchen for those 1-2 times a year doesn't make sense. The capacity is barely enough to run your fridge for a day…

I wouldn't call 1.6kWh tiny, running your fridge and charging phones for a day will have a big market in places that might get outages during the winter that last a day or two. How about apartment dwellers in cities? Not everyone needs something gigantic or permanent. They support up to 1200W of solar with the expansion pack. Running a cable out a window during a prolonged outage doesn't seem like a huge deal, but I'…

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Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

#132

I don't understand this. It's a tiny backup battery with an expensive enclosure, with only 100W of solar input? How are you expected to run solar wiring with this in your living room? The places that can afford this rarely have power outages, so having an dedicated appliance sitting in your living room or kitchen for those 1-2 times a year doesn't make sense. The capacity is barely enough to run your fridge for a day…

In places like Germany it's supposedly becoming more common to have a solar panel on the balcony and use a similar plugin device. I think the legal situation in the US is more tricky unfortunately

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

#133

I don't understand this. It's a tiny backup battery with an expensive enclosure, with only 100W of solar input? How are you expected to run solar wiring with this in your living room? The places that can afford this rarely have power outages, so having an dedicated appliance sitting in your living room or kitchen for those 1-2 times a year doesn't make sense. The capacity is barely enough to run your fridge for a day…

I wouldn't call 1.6kWh tiny, running your fridge and charging phones for a day will have a big market in places that might get outages during the winter that last a day or two. How about apartment dwellers in cities? Not everyone needs something gigantic or permanent. They support up to 1200W of solar with the expansion pack. Running a cable out a window during a prolonged outage doesn't seem like a huge deal, but I'…

> The solution is far cheaper than something like the Tesla powerwall

That's like saying a $120K luxury pickup truck is a good deal because it's far cheaper than buying an entire semi-truck.

This is a UPS. Comparing it to the Powerwall is a marketing trick to distract people from the high price.

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

#134
post #73

So it's just a smarter UPS, (that can integrate with solar panels) but you only compare it to a standby generator. Seems like you need to compare it to a UPS too, because that's what it really, really is.

At first I thought it was some kind of UPS that would automatically "inject" AC to the house when it detected that there was no current in the mains (hence the connection to mains). But it seems it is just a glorified UPS... is that what the tesla "Wall" is?

> is that what the tesla "Wall" is?

Yes, plus an auto-transfer-switch

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

#135

I don't understand this. It's a tiny backup battery with an expensive enclosure, with only 100W of solar input? How are you expected to run solar wiring with this in your living room? The places that can afford this rarely have power outages, so having an dedicated appliance sitting in your living room or kitchen for those 1-2 times a year doesn't make sense. The capacity is barely enough to run your fridge for a day…

I wouldn't call 1.6kWh tiny, running your fridge and charging phones for a day will have a big market in places that might get outages during the winter that last a day or two. How about apartment dwellers in cities? Not everyone needs something gigantic or permanent. They support up to 1200W of solar with the expansion pack. Running a cable out a window during a prolonged outage doesn't seem like a huge deal, but I'…

I'm not a fan of these devices in general as I'm more of a DIY, but...

A Ecoflow Delta 2 Max is $1100, gives you 2kWh capacity and 1000W of solar input. if you have a power outage, you can actually keep it topped off w/ solar while keeping your fridge, gas furnace, etc running.

If you're gonna hang a wire out the window, why pay the premium for the pretty enclosure and screen?

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

#136
post #51

1.6 KWh capacity with 2.4 KW output [0]. I couldn't find a price on the website (the $99 is just for a reservation) but from this thread it looks like it's priced at $1k [1]. For context, in the USA, 30 KWh is a rough estimate for average daily home usage [2]. [0] https://pilaenergy.com/tech-specs#faq [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43333996 [2] https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/use-of-energy/electricit...

> I couldn't find a price on the website (the $99 is just for a reservation) but from this thread it looks like it's priced at $1k [1].

The pre-order page says it will be $1300 after the pre-order period.

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't call 1.6kWh tiny, running your fridge and charging phones for a day will have a big market in places that might get outages during the winter that last a day or two. How about apartment dwellers in cities? Not everyone needs something gigantic or permanent. They support up to 1200W of solar with the expansion pack. Running a cable out a window during a prolonged outage doesn't seem like a huge deal, but I'…

> The solution is far cheaper than something like the Tesla powerwall That's like saying a $120K luxury pickup truck is a good deal because it's far cheaper than buying an entire semi-truck. This is a UPS. Comparing it to the Powerwall is a marketing trick to distract people from the high price.

Powerwall is a UPS as well. It’s just larger and more expensive.

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

#138
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Can't be automated without a failover switch to disconnect the house from the grid so it doesn't back feed into the actual power lines outside the house and either break or risk injuring linemen who think a line has been disconnected and isolated. In addition to that you're feeding energy back in through a much smaller wire so you're limited to the capability of the circuit it's connected to and the devices have t…

Feed power in through one circuit back to the main board, on a different circuit cause a short, main breaker trips, main board is now isolated from the grid. Technically possible, irresponsible, bad advice, and probably won’t work in most scenarios.

This is why we have regulations.

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

#139

off grid here for many years self built systems can do the math for solar powered,off grid sytems with battery banks, in my head. The numbers posted with battery back up system are so wildly inflated as to be absurd, laughable , 32hrs for a fridge, it wont run a big fridge for 1 hr, tiny fridge for 5 hrs. bar fridge, laptop, phone and one light might make 24hrs, might, when its new, hot weather, fergetit. the way it'…

Fridges and freezers are pretty power efficient, on the whole, because they're big insulated boxes and the power that leaks through isn't very much. An average of 50W power consumption is not ludicrous for a fairly large, properly functioning fridge (the peak will be larger, since they cycle on and off). It will depend on ambient temperature, of course, but even a pretty beefy fridge running at 100% (which will probably fail in short order since the mechanics are not generally designed for such) is not going to be drawing the 1.6kW you are suggesting.

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

#140

I don't understand this. It's a tiny backup battery with an expensive enclosure, with only 100W of solar input? How are you expected to run solar wiring with this in your living room? The places that can afford this rarely have power outages, so having an dedicated appliance sitting in your living room or kitchen for those 1-2 times a year doesn't make sense. The capacity is barely enough to run your fridge for a day…

In places like Germany it's supposedly becoming more common to have a solar panel on the balcony and use a similar plugin device. I think the legal situation in the US is more tricky unfortunately

Not only in Germany, as per Commission Regulation EU 2016/631 systems under 800W are not regulated as power generating facilities - you just need a two-way meter installed on request by your power company and you're good to go.
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