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Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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This things is amazing. https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/models/urban_mobility/ce04...

That looks perfect for phone snatchers.

The phone snatchers at least in the UK prefer souped up e-bikes rather than e-motorcycles. That thing the police would stop you if you didn't have a number plate.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

#133
It's all because of the crazy regulations and insane taxes that normal people have to pay in order to own a car, and not a refrigerator on wheels, that's the gist of it.

Basically the laptop classes (all actual or wannabe EV-owners) have started revolting against the fact that they have to inhale cancer-igneous fumes on their way to their yoga classes, and this is the result of that.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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The problem with electric cars is charging infrastructure in cites. An electric bike or scooter can be brought indoors to charge.

It’s not so much of a problem due to the average daily drive being a fraction of range. So long as you can charge at home, city life is fine for electric cars.

Most countries still do not mandate that new apartments include charging ports for parking spots. So densely-populated areas will still be plagued with non-EC compatible buildings for decades to come. That's what "city life" mean in several countries.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Nope. Is as horrible as it gets. They silently swing by the pedestrians with over 20mph, many drive drunk or don't know/avoid traffic rules and there is 0 enforcement. And if you get hit by them good luck getting compensated for your hospital bills.

As horrible as the 41’000 that die year from cars in the US? Even after billions and billions are spent on their infrastructure? How safe would cities with micro mobility be if we spent the same on them?

> As horrible as the 41’000 that die year from cars in the US?

and almost zero percent of that happens in cities.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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I doubt total sales have peaked. Economic growth and population growth will likely keep that going up. But EVs are eating enough market share that combustion cars are likely never climbing past their peak again.

> Economic growth and population growth will likely keep that going up. What population growth?

About 70 million per year at the moment. Current estimates have world population peaking in 2080.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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EVs have an initial higher carbon footprint after production than ICE vehicles due to their battery. However, the initial CO2 footprint is dwarfed when compared to the operational footprint of ICE vehicles. Takes a few years for the scale to tip in EVs favour, to which then there's a substantial difference. > BNEF studied the US, Chinese, Germany, UK and Japanese markets. It determined the lifecycle CO2 emissions of…

> BEV manufactured in 2023 and driven for 250,000km would be 27-71 per cent lower than those of equivalent ICE vehicles. (Disclaimer: I know little about cars ...) My country, New Zealand, is awash with new BEV brands, some also offering ICE, from China and South East Asia. Compared with traditional SEA manufacturers (Japan, Korea) that supply most of our new cars, the prices are apparently ridiculously competitive a…

Japan and Korea are not South East Asia [1]...

Are there well known SEA car manufacturers, or exporters? Proton of Malaysia is (or was?) probably the biggest, they owned the legendary Lotus brand at one point.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Why do you think the batteries won’t?

> The question is will these low cost EVs last 250,000km? I don't think the batteries will. > Why do you think the batteries won’t? I was commenting on low-cost EV. I don't know but I think its likely that given the following (maybe incorrect) assumption: 1. Cheap EVs use cheaper lower-quality cells to keep costs down. 2. Cheap EVs use battery tech that maximises range and performance at the expense of longevity, whi…

Yeah, that’s a bad assumption. Cheap EVs tend to use chemistries with a poor energy to weight ratio, but those chemistries are relatively long lasting (in particular see LFP). I’d bet on a cheap electric car made today lasting longer than a high end one 5 years ago for this reason.

Some brands (in particular Tesla has done this) even use LFP in low-end versions of a single model, and NMC in high end.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

#139

Can I just ask - forgive the potential ignorance - if EVs have been proven to be less net carbon emitting with their manufacturing and expected disposal emissions factored in?

The question gets asked and answered so often that whenever I see it now I wonder if it is a deliberate attempt to sow doubt.

Some of it’s probably genuine. The oil industry has been pushing this particular lie in various forms for about half a century (comically, it’s a claim that they would sometimes make about _nuclear power plants_), and it has sunk deep into the culture.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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post #90

I will never buy an EV, not because of its powertrain but because there is no way to avoid their spyware. Granted, the same goes for modern gas cars, which is also why I stick to secondhand but premium pre-infotainment cars

I am also very hesitant on buying an EV. Next to spyware - which is also a problem on my phone, I struggle more with the problem of having a built-in obsolescence. Any device with a dependence on an App, iOS is sooner or later going to force you to buy something new.

I love working and riding 20-30year old bicycles, sailboats, or even an old Toyota Jeep. Less dependency on software compatibility.

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