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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#131

It was as if they invited him to the Whitehouse to set him up for a lecture and scolding. They had no intention of anything other than humiliating him in front of the world. It's shameful what our administration has done.

That felt really gross to watch. I don't know what else to say that's more high-level thinking and adds to the conversation. A straight up "mean girls" moment.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#133

Utterly shameful. Do conservatives even remember when Russia was the enemy and Europe was our ally? Do you know what kind of leader Putin is? Is that what you want Trump to become? Do you no longer believe in NATO? What has become of the party of Reagan and Bush? Will you betray everything you used to claim you believed in?

>Do conservatives even remember when Russia was the enemy and Europe was our ally?

America and Europe used to have shared values, now the average American conservative is so disgusted by the T in LGBT that they consider Russia more aligned with their values.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#134

This is how NATO replaces the US with Ukraine. Kicking the US out of Five Eyes is likely next.

Why kick out? Just start a new club (I'm sure they already have, probably years ago, or increased activity in one that already existed) and let this one wither.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#135
post #72

I wish the EU was more ... united. Most of the nations were woefully slow to act with Ukraine (hey let's send some token helmets). They've got a totalitarian regime invading democracies in their back yard but don't seem all that united about it ....

>I wish the EU was more ... united.

it's not Europe United, it's Europe Unionized.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#136

Zelensky just proved once again what real leadership looks like. He went to the White House knowing that they will try to do exactly that and yet he did it with his head held high and did not sign the deal. Amazing guy. This is also a historic day for the world. US dominance over the West is over. As a European, I will vote against any politician that keeps talking about EU-US special partnership and doesn't put 'EU…

Yeah, from my perspective this was just a dog and pony show. Trump and Vance got to look big and strong (their perception anyways) next to Zelensky, and he got to look like he's willing to continue the conversation. Doubt anyone actually expected progress out of this.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#137
post #47

If I were American, I’d be sick with shame. As a European, I’m disgusted—not just by your leadership, but by your silence. Your country is spiraling into disgrace, yet you sit there, watching, complaining online, doing nothing. Where is your outrage? Where are the millions in the streets forcing change? By staying silent, you are complicit. Just like the Russians who let Putin tighten his grip for decades, you are le…

The problem is both US political parties would strongly oppose any attempt to "get people in the streets", making it very challenging for any such protesters.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#138

Ukraine is in a bind, and the US has the power to do whatever it wants. But boy, will the nations of the world remember this -- how quickly the US can turn from ally to bully. A really bad day for US foreign policy. The EU is going to be thinking long and hard about the future of NATO now.

World needs to help out Ukraine because if Ukraine falls it shows that you should never give up your nuclear weapons for any agreement or treaty. They are just pieces of paper that guarantee nothing. This will just lead to more countries getting nukes which means higher likelihood of a nuclear war.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#139

Ukraine is in a bind, and the US has the power to do whatever it wants. But boy, will the nations of the world remember this -- how quickly the US can turn from ally to bully. A really bad day for US foreign policy. The EU is going to be thinking long and hard about the future of NATO now.

The EU is going to be thinking long and hard if the US really is so much more friendly than China.
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