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Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by SirHumphrey »

sublimefire wrote: post #125

Apart from the already mentioned pessimism what matters is if it is great when used with all European languages. It might help break some usual boundaries and allow better RAG between the resources in different countries. English speaking folks take it as granted that everyone uses it in business but that is not the case in Europe. And no US company is interested in solving that provblem.

Most often they don't even need to? I speak a fairly small European language, and bigger models (70B and above) do fine - in fact they do much better than some research projects that are supposed to solve this problem.

It's basically a classic EU research push - first you try to regulate the new technology to oblivion and then, when it becomes apparent that stifles development in the EU you bankroll many different projects with EU grants, often with limited success.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by saint_yossarian »

kandesbunzler wrote: post #92
anonymousDan wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way? What exactly has the US achieved?

Uhhm.. they lead in pretty much everything especially tech related? You redditors are unbearable.

The US is a joke when it comes to things like health care, or labour protections.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by PeterStuer »

sublimefire wrote: post #125

Apart from the already mentioned pessimism what matters is if it is great when used with all European languages. It might help break some usual boundaries and allow better RAG between the resources in different countries. English speaking folks take it as granted that everyone uses it in business but that is not the case in Europe. And no US company is interested in solving that provblem.

My system uses the OpenAI api for summerizing and translating local language news into English from all EU countries as wel as a few non-EU ones. Works amazingly well.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by twice_throwaway »

simongray wrote: post #91
istrice wrote: post #62

I don't fully understand the reactions in the comments. It's an announcement of a project that is starting soon-ish, mostly aimed at recruiting students and getting European talent excited, why would you expect them to deliver a model upon announcing the project? Did you expect OpenAI to release GPT in the press release that announced its creation as a company? Bullshit Silicon Valley startups do big press releases b…

It's something I've noticed that has started happening on this site whenever the EU is mentioned, especially when LLMs/AI is also mentioned or any kind of regulation. Hacker News is also quite biased against academia in general and, IMO, has always been too obsessed with making money. I don't think it's (just) bots. I think it's the current strain of Silicon Valley arrogance, not unlike what helped create the current…

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Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by itcrowd »

Honestly, the cynicism in the comments here is extremely disappointing.

EU citizens badly need AI systems that are open and privacy-respecting. Getting together this rather large coalition of experts with quite some money and (importantly) access to compute power is a nice first step.

Let them play around, train some models, fail-and-get-up-again, start over, write papers and hopefully get some useful output. Remember, for the involved PhD students it will also be a learning experience!

Yes, it's only the first step. But yeez, it's a press release indicating the start of a scientific collaboration! Let's hold back on the negativity for a couple of years until after they've had a chance.

I, for one, hope this will lead to success and wish the team the best.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by kubb »

itcrowd wrote: post #135

Honestly, the cynicism in the comments here is extremely disappointing. EU citizens badly need AI systems that are open and privacy-respecting. Getting together this rather large coalition of experts with quite some money and (importantly) access to compute power is a nice first step. Let them play around, train some models, fail-and-get-up-again, start over, write papers and hopefully get some useful output. Remembe…

It's not cynism, people feel offended that there's another way to fund projects that via VC money.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

bee_rider wrote: post #108
huijzer wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is truly in accordance with european values, where we reward participation and proclamation. Yes. In my experience the government is happy with "looks good doesn't work" as long as it truly looks good.

Thank goodness we have startup culture in the US, instead we can have “looks bad, doesn’t work, but Microsoft bought it so…”

and "actively erodes human community and democratic society"

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by holoduke »

FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #120
kandesbunzler wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhhm.. they lead in pretty much everything especially tech related? You redditors are unbearable.

They also lead in destroying your own country and science and tech industries. And soon they’ll be the number one authoritarian state too! And have biggest bestest king of them all lmao.

Every week new products are released from you guess where: the US. Products used by people all over the world. US is doing pretty great compared to for example Europe. The US is not becoming an authoritarian state. Its a country lead by companies and institutions. Its just a bit clearer now. But its nothing different than 10 years ago
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