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"Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by [deleted] »

unethical_ban wrote: post #78
hayst4ck wrote: post #38

We have a government that has been completely capture by the elite. Democrats are the oligarchs good cops offering performative resistance while ultimately consenting to anything that boosts their brokerage accounts and re-election budgets, while republicans are the oligarchs bad cops, directly weakening regulation of those with power, protections for those without, and systematically destroying any force that can st…

I still don't buy the bothsidesism. You say at first they are part of the coup, quietly approving of what is happening, then pointing out the commentary by state AGs that this is a a power grab. We agree this is a catastrophe, but I don't think that media and the liberal political parties are willful codefendants.

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Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by vslira »

hayst4ck wrote: post #98
greyface- wrote: post #44

This is obviously alarming, and if used to disregard the Judiciary's interpretation of law, unconstitutional. But I'm puzzled by the exemption of the Federal Reserve and FOMC. He's previously beefed with them, and would presumably find the additional leverage useful. Why explicitly exclude them?

Inflation is an extreme handout to the wealthy. Money is by definition zero sum, otherwise the word "inflation" would have no meaning. There are good questions around what an over leveraged loan is, but fundamentally, the supply of money is to some degree fixed at any given moment. The wealthy and powerful keep their money in tax benefited, inflation tracking assets. Many of those assets are stocks, and a major busin…

But capital gains - and business income taxes in a way, given how profit is calculated - do pay an inflationary tax since they're calculated on nominal gains, so I'm not at all convinced that the wealthy don't care about inflation since it erodes their wealth.

This effect can be minimized or neutered if their assets grow in real terms, but that only works in a growing-pie world, too

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by batushka5 »

piva00 wrote: post #115
h335ian wrote: post #37

So disappointed by the irrational and hyperbolic comments from my fellow nerds. Why are folks reading into this so much!? Clearly folks aren’t actually reading the content and just reacting based on a headline. Read, contemplate, compose. This really shouldn’t be an inflammatory exec order - from what I can tell this is precisely within the purview of a POTUS and precisely in line with historical exec orders. Why the…

What's your personal threshold for gatekeeping when people are supposed to call it fascist? Have you done your nerd research on how Nazis dismantled the democratic state? If so, at what step would you have gatekept calling it fascist? Blanket calling worried people as "juvenile" as a dismissal is in itself pretty fucking juvenile, hope you can see that.

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Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by nobodyandproud »

hayst4ck wrote: post #98
greyface- wrote: post #44

This is obviously alarming, and if used to disregard the Judiciary's interpretation of law, unconstitutional. But I'm puzzled by the exemption of the Federal Reserve and FOMC. He's previously beefed with them, and would presumably find the additional leverage useful. Why explicitly exclude them?

Inflation is an extreme handout to the wealthy. Money is by definition zero sum, otherwise the word "inflation" would have no meaning. There are good questions around what an over leveraged loan is, but fundamentally, the supply of money is to some degree fixed at any given moment. The wealthy and powerful keep their money in tax benefited, inflation tracking assets. Many of those assets are stocks, and a major busin…

The money supply is not zero sum. Private lenders create money when they lend and are paid back the loan with interest.

It’s also why there’a always some level of inflation: Modest inflation is a sign of a healthy economy.

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by blased »

thiht wrote: post #46
h335ian wrote: post #37

So disappointed by the irrational and hyperbolic comments from my fellow nerds. Why are folks reading into this so much!? Clearly folks aren’t actually reading the content and just reacting based on a headline. Read, contemplate, compose. This really shouldn’t be an inflammatory exec order - from what I can tell this is precisely within the purview of a POTUS and precisely in line with historical exec orders. Why the…

This is not hyperbolic. In one month Trump has taken full unchecked power on almost anything. In 4 years, you won’t vote, that’s a given.

So when 4 years pass and we’re still voting, are you going to admit you are hyperbolic and divorced from reality?

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by amalcon »

somenameforme wrote: post #125
bobongo wrote: post #7

“ Sec. 7. Rules of Conduct Guiding Federal Employees’ Interpretation of the Law. The President and the Attorney General, subject to the President’s supervision and control, shall provide authoritative interpretations of law for the executive branch. The President and the Attorney General’s opinions on questions of law are controlling on all employees in the conduct of their official duties. No employee of the executi…

I think a lot of people that are freaking out are missing that this applies to the executive branch, over whom the President has already perfectly well established. Literally the first statement of article 2 of the US Constitution (which lays out the power/rules for the executive branch) is "The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America." The main point of this executive order is…

This is just a statement of the unitary executive theory. Unitary executive theory is controversial, and the controversy there did not (until, oh about last month) align with party lines.

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by lazide »

somenameforme wrote: post #125
bobongo wrote: post #7

“ Sec. 7. Rules of Conduct Guiding Federal Employees’ Interpretation of the Law. The President and the Attorney General, subject to the President’s supervision and control, shall provide authoritative interpretations of law for the executive branch. The President and the Attorney General’s opinions on questions of law are controlling on all employees in the conduct of their official duties. No employee of the executi…

I think a lot of people that are freaking out are missing that this applies to the executive branch, over whom the President has already perfectly well established. Literally the first statement of article 2 of the US Constitution (which lays out the power/rules for the executive branch) is "The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America." The main point of this executive order is…

No - it’s a statement that the executive branch will (as a matter of policy) ignore Judicial and Congressional oversight. Unless it wants it, anyway.

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by intended »

Ancapistani wrote: post #25
zeven7 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for your comment. Overall, this lifted me up and helped me learn some more about what was in the Declaration. (I went and read it for the first time after seeing your comment.) > deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed Unfortunately, unlike 1776, today's king was given power by the governed, and the majority (of those who care enough to vote) still support him. So I don't know where thos…

With absolutely no malice intended: you step back a bit, lick your wounds, and try to figure out why your message and candidate failed - just like the GOP did for the past four years. Four years feels like a long time when it has just started; it isn’t so long at all in hindsight. Moreover, you have two years before the next opportunity you have to disempower Trump (midterm elections). The campaigns for those start i…

It’s not a candidate issue, when the media and messaging doesn’t get to the other voters.

If a scientist going up against a fraud, and the fraud wins the debate, then it’s not a debate.

This is what happened back when experts went to Fox and talked about climate change in the 90s.

They were simply obliterated. Even if a point was made, it would be killed and something else floated during the evening shows.

Because it’s not a debate. It’s not about truth, or democracy.

Trump dodged every debate after Harris came on the scene. He was not humiliated for this.

One team wants to win. The other team wants a functioning nation.

The electorate is functionally irreconcilable if the message never gets to them, and their party punishes bipartisan behavior.

And this is not what america was set up to survive. It was assumed that people would reach across the aisle.

Even if you win the next election. The ground work for Trump 3.0 and beyond remains.

People need to look at Fox News, and develop ways to get past their censorship and message curation.

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by 2-3-7-43-1807 »

sharpshadow wrote: post #96

In Germany the legal executive branch is “Weisungsgebunden” which mean it follows the lead of the politicians instead of acting on own behalf. Because of this international warrants which come from Germany do not get followed since they can’t be trusted. It would be better to have independent judges but hey it doesn’t lead to a dictatorship and the end of the world directly as propagated everywhere.

maybe not dictatorship but blatant abuse of power by the government.

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by lazide »

Gigachad wrote: post #124
scarab92 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Progressives are using words like Nazi and fascist, purely as a slur against a political rival, without really understanding what those words mean nor the attrocities they represent. What the Nazi's did was horrifici, and it's incredibly insensitive, inappropriate, and, yes, juvenile, to water that down by using it for political point scoring.

What’s the threshold before you can say it? Doing nazi salutes and mass deleting the public research / books / info pages isn’t far enough yet?

I guarantee you’ll still be seeing people doing this long after Trump is dead. The point isn’t that there is an actual line. The point is that there IS NO actual line. The goalposts will shift forever.
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