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Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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Post by marssaxman »

pjmlp wrote: post #124
mcv wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, the moment there's a linux distro that really "just works", even with games on NVidia cards, I think Windows will lose a very large chunk of market share. So many people are sick of it, but most people still fear that stuff won't work right on Linux. Anyway, Valve is probably the most likely party to pull that off.

First they have to convince studios to target Linux instead of translating Windows APIs.

Why, though? If the Windows subsystem for Linux can provide many people an adequate environment for dev work, why can't the equivalent Linux subsystem for Windows provide an adequate gaming platform?

Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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Post by jonathanlydall »

kioshix wrote: post #121
jonathanlydall wrote: post #58

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When unplugging and plugging back in external monitors it moves windows back to the same monitors they were on before unplugging them. This is probably the most significant QoL feature. The control centre generally feels better than Windows 10, except for switching sound outputs or getting to the volume mixer, which require too many clicks. The settings app is a little more cohesive and has had some more control pane…

> When unplugging and plugging back in external monitors it moves windows back to the same monitors they were on before unplugging them. This is probably the most significant QoL feature. Sometimes. Sometimes it does. It's all very random. My work laptop drives me nuts, when plugging back into the dock my windows return to where they were about 3/4 of the times. A quarter of the times they just all bunch up on the ma…

I’ve found it’s pretty reliable with my dock, or at least consistent.

Windows only “forget” their old place if you move them or with applications like Slack they are “minimized” to the system tray.

Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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Post by thaumasiotes »

pjmlp wrote: post #88
thaumasiotes wrote: post #69

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How were Linux netbooks dealt with?

Microsoft made Windows XP free for any OEM that wanted to use it for netbooks, no license at all, and also made some changes to improve its use on limited devices. That coupled with the usual non-technical resistance to anything that is unfamiliar, meant that in about two years time, all those custom distros for netbooks were for all practical purposes gone from the market. All netbooks on shopping malls were using W…

> Nowadays it hardly matters, because the netboook market audience nowadays rather use Android and iPadOS.

How did Microsoft deal with that?

Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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Post by chneu »

jonathanlydall wrote: post #58
rideontime wrote: post #12

I've been using Windows 11 without much complaint since its release, but off the top of my head, I can't name a single "feature" that would motivate me to upgrade if I were on Windows 10, besides "continued support."

When unplugging and plugging back in external monitors it moves windows back to the same monitors they were on before unplugging them. This is probably the most significant QoL feature. The control centre generally feels better than Windows 10, except for switching sound outputs or getting to the volume mixer, which require too many clicks. The settings app is a little more cohesive and has had some more control pane…

I know ya crapped on Linux but Pop! OS is pretty great. It's the only distro to play nice with my Nvidia graphics out of the box. Multi monitor support is great. I even use a weird docking station and it works just fine. Steam works great for like 70% of games.

Win11 gave me tons of sound and Bluetooth issues to the point it felt like Linux alsa issues from 2010 or something.

I still have my win11 install on another partition but I rarely use it now. Just for niche stuff.

Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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Post by 7bit »

wongarsu wrote: post #43
7bit wrote: post #6

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What's your point? Windows 7 had 11 years of support. Windows 10 had 10. Nothing strange about it.

- Windows 8.1 had 7 years of support after Windows 10 was released. - Windows 7 was supported for 7 years after Windows 8 came out. - Same for Vista after 7 and Windows XP after Vista. - Windows ME had 5 years of support after the release of Windows XP - Windows 98 had 6 years after ME. - Windows 1, 2, 3.0 and 3.1 all had 6 years of support after Windows 95 came out. Only 4 years of support after the release of the n…

Microsoft never said Win 10 would be the last release. That is an urban myth.

And the x years of support after the next Windows release is irrelevant. Their product support is more or less 10 years and that didn't change. People were skipping versions because they want to use their license as long as possible and they still do that with win 10.

Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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Post by immibis »

tombert wrote: post #34
pjmlp wrote: post #20

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Windows is the IPv4 of operating systems. Every time a new Windows version comes out, since Windows XP, that there are forums filled with now the max exodus to Linux Desktop promised land is finally going to happen. Meanwhile not even Valve was able to convince game studios to port their Android NDK games to SteamDeck, they have to translate Windows/DirectX, and lets see for how long Microsoft will keep tolerating th…

> and lets see for how long Microsoft will keep tolerating that. Is that something we actually have to worry about? Wine has been around for more than 30 years in one form or another, and AFAIK Microsoft hasn't really taken any legal action against them. Are you saying that that has been the case because Wine has historically not been great, so Microsoft didn't perceive it as a threat?

That does seem to be how it goes with most companies.

Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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Post by GlickWick »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #73

I have a gaming computer on Windows 10 and I only really play Warframe so I plan on making it stay that way (I'm thinking about locking it totally down and not even browsing the web or move to a cloud service). I really don't like moving to Windows 11 especially with the features I don't want or need.

Warframe works flawlessly via Proton these days. Probably don't even needs Windows anymore if that's all you do.

Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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Post by jhot »

tombert wrote: post #25

Shows how much of a bubble I live in, most of my friends who play Steam are doing so on Linux with either a Steam Deck or just installing something like ChimeraOS on a desktop and plugging that into the TV. I've been so entrenched in the Unixey space for like 13 years that going back to Windows would be a pretty substantial productivity drain in the short term, but I'm not sure I'd want to anyway, simply because gami…

I'm approaching a year of exclusively gaming on Linux with very few hiccups. Most of it being on Steam Deck, but also switched to Bazzite on desktop.

Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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Post by loeg »

nottorp wrote: post #109
loeg wrote: post #32

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> when I got around to setting up Windows on it I ordered a Win 10 license. They're still available even now, I think. The licenses are the same -- you can install Win10 media using a Win11 license key.

> The licenses are the same -- you can install Win10 media using a Win11 license key. Too great a risk if you ask me.

Risk of what?
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