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Post by ceejayoz »

pb7 wrote: post #103
lukev wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do not. The majority of the country either did not vote, or voted against Trump. Most of those who did vote for Trump did so on the basis of immigration, economic or the culture war -- not so he could dismantle the federal government and (e.g.) halt funding for cancer research. Trump explicitly disavowed Project 2025 when it was clear it was hurting his electoral prospects (even though that plan is precisely wha…

Trump won the popular vote which means the majority of the country voted for Trump or did not vote.

No; of voters, 49.8% picked Trump.

A plurality, but not a majority.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

mjburgess wrote: post #20

The security and intelligence apparatus made bet big that they could prevent a second trump election, after quite successfully destabilising the first -- they failed. And now the very system of unaccountable executive power which has been built up, is now being used against the executive itself. This makes me increasingly concerned for a similar turn of events in the UK (ie., given the many actions of the UK state to…

Ah, here we go with the "invisible deep state" theory that secretly controls -- or tries to -- things behind the scenes.

Does make for good movies though.

Re: DOGE staffer is trying to reroute FEMA funds

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Post by zfg »

cbeach wrote: post #79
EGreg wrote: post #72

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In the name of “cutting costs”, they can do anything? Divert funds to whatever they want? Explain how taking down open scientific and health data sets is “improving efficiency and transparency”. I kind of liked data.gov as a step in the RIGHT direction for government transparency! Elon never mentions those things, of course. He has a direct connection to the people, bigger than FDR’s radio which helped him bypass the…

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Sure. Ideological things like health and the weather:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-team-looks-...

https://www.science.org/content/article/trump-hits-nih-devas...

https://apnews.com/article/cdc-census-federal-data-trump-6a9...

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Post by duxup »

jjulius wrote: post #53
duxup wrote: post #15

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Vote when the time comes, and hoping the judiciary behaves independently. However, considering SCOTUS has largely decided POTUS is largely immune from most anything, I don't see why he can't just ignore the courts when the time comes...

What does that say for the rest of us? If the leader of the free world has decided laws don't matter, then as far as I'm concerned that applies to the rest of us, rendering it "legal" to remove him via whatever means we as polite society choose fit. At least, my hope is that they don't push the limits with ignoring laws because they're afraid that would happen...

>What does that say for the rest of us?

Gotta do what you can where you are. Even as someone in the US I've disliked how passive other free countries have been...

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Post by ceejayoz »

ramshanker wrote: post #116

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> Trump declared certain policies in his election campaign.

Trump declared directly contradictory policies, depending on who he was talking to, and publicly disavowed the Project 2025 stuff that was widely unpopular. (Then, hired its planners and implemented their policies.)

Trump received a plurality of the vote, not a majority.

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Post by ckemere »

cbeach wrote: post #79
EGreg wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the name of “cutting costs”, they can do anything? Divert funds to whatever they want? Explain how taking down open scientific and health data sets is “improving efficiency and transparency”. I kind of liked data.gov as a step in the RIGHT direction for government transparency! Elon never mentions those things, of course. He has a direct connection to the people, bigger than FDR’s radio which helped him bypass the…

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“Ideological” would involve, e.g., any tabulation of race? This is the French approach - “There’s no racism here! See! Our data says everyone (hired, arrested, elected) is French.” Tautologies are always the easiest solution to thorny arguments…

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Post by awkwardpotato »

cbeach wrote: post #79
EGreg wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the name of “cutting costs”, they can do anything? Divert funds to whatever they want? Explain how taking down open scientific and health data sets is “improving efficiency and transparency”. I kind of liked data.gov as a step in the RIGHT direction for government transparency! Elon never mentions those things, of course. He has a direct connection to the people, bigger than FDR’s radio which helped him bypass the…

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Here is a collection of datasets[0] deleted by just the CDC under the Trump administration. Please go through and justify how each is "in pursuit of ideological goals" and "100% should be taken down" in your opinion.

[0] https://archive.org/download/20250128-cdc-datasets

Re: DOGE staffer is trying to reroute FEMA funds

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Post by insane_dreamer »

simianparrot wrote: post #32

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These are major events that not only affect the lives of Americans but the world, due to US' status.

Don't take it upon yourself to decide what we should or should not read and discuss.

Besides since DOGE -- made up of techies -- are the ones "purging" the government (instead of say, you know, investigative accountants who can actually properly investigate allegations of corruption/fraud/waste), then it just become a highly-relevant tech topic.

If Musk wasn't in charge, and DOGE wasn't been run by SWEs, then we wouldn't be having these conversations, would we?

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Post by throw_pm23 »

diggan wrote: post #125
sagolikasoppor wrote: post #68

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That is probably because you live in the states that you think that. The EU is so regulated its hard to do anything nowadays.

> The EU is so regulated its hard to do anything nowadays. What are you referring to here, specifically? Something that is a net-positive for society, and that would be legal in the US but is illegal in Europe or EU?

Starting the next Google or OpenAI. Not illegal, just not possible.
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