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A Year of Telepathy

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Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by KaiserPro »

romaaeterna wrote: post #104
phillipcarter wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Overt nazi salutes is one, but another is the intentional tinkering-with and partial dismantling of the US Government's system to dispense appropriated funds, and act that is blatantly illegal.

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Of course he did, and he knew what a Hitlergruß is and what it means. As I've said elsewhere, hes not some teenager whos being edgy. Hes been to a fucking death camp.

Does that make him a nazi? no.

But why did he think it was a good idea? Knowing that doing a Hitlergruß has all those connotation’s.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by tmnvdb »

ben_w wrote: post #93
tmnvdb wrote: post #44

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You have again ignored the trade-off in your word-play.

I disagree. I see the promise, but I've got too many real life examples of security issues to draw on to trust it would even keep working very long — let alone working appropriately and under my control — to allow one to control my body, which an implant would necessarily need to do. And that's even with 100% of the biological compatibility issues being solved (I'm told those take several years to show up in all the…

You seem awfully sure about what you would do but you again do not seem to have considered about what it is like to be fully paralyzed. Let me be clear, I understand the risks of these devices. But my impression is that you're having trouble emphathizing with people with such medical conditions and you're not really considering how it feels to live like that. In fact, you again spend your whole message talking about abstract considerations, but you do not talk about the experience of being unable to do almost anything - how that shapes a persons willingness to take risks and weigh them differently. That is my point about trade-offs, consider the personal and emotional as well as the technical.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by tmnvdb »

computerthings wrote: post #86
tmnvdb wrote: post #44

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You have again ignored the trade-off in your word-play.

If it would make the greed and exploitation that form people like Musk go away without a trace and forever, I'd happily to be paralyzed for the rest of my life. Nobody would even have to know and thank me for it, as long as I knew... I'd watch humanity flourish on TV and cry tears of happiness. Even the best version of my best life is still just 1 life.

It is very brave of you to make this totally hypothetical sacrifce for us - only in your mind of course.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

jonjon16 wrote: post #125

Here's a post about an amazing piece of technology that is being created for helping people in dire conditions and the only thing being discussed in here is how much of a bad person is the owner of the company researching said technology. Now, I'm not a US citizen so I have way less stakes in that kind of discussion but I have to say, I find it disgusting how one of my favorite online forum have become a den for poli…

Yeah, reddit is heavily leaking in this thread. The Internet as a whole has become slowly more political over the past decade, and that's to be expected. But this last cycle has been utterly unbearable for non americans. The identity politics and the obsession of every person having to be either a super-hero or a villain is tiring. Why can't people just discuss the tech?

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by yreg »

computerthings wrote: post #78
andsoitis wrote: post #63

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> we all know helping disabled is not the end-game objective of neuralink. Can you tell us more what you surmise we all think is the end-game objective?

Someone who has genuine concern for helping people doesn't cut medical programs in fly-by-night operations to leave people with medical devices in their body and whatnot. Empathy and caring about suffering can be ruled out. Generally speaking, the demo is always about finding the green ball on top of a red cube, or the person who went missing in a land slide, but what sells it is detecting and aiming at the dissident…

> And isn't it weird how "think of the children" is always ridiculed but "think of the paralyzed etc." is just fine?

Isn't the difference that "think of the children" is used to ban stuff and "think of the paralyzed" is used to enable stuff?

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by yapyap »

Glad to see neuralink didn’t give up on their sensationalism.

“telepathy” gtfo, they’re trying to give their brainchips marketing hype synonyms like how Altman calls ChatGPT AI when really, it’s not artificial intelligence, it’s just ML. But ML sounds a whole lot less exciting in the marketing pitch.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by Philpax »

cubefox wrote: post #42
soVeryTired wrote: post #25

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You say "wrong political party" as if he's involved in some mild political spat. The Financial Times just ran an article about how trump might defy the supreme court on his way to burning down the republic. Musk supported AFD while tweeting about the great replacement and throwing a nazi salute. He's supporting the wrong political party in much the same way Goebbels supported the wrong party.

> The Financial Times just ran an article about how trump might defy the supreme court on his way to burning down the republic. But that is arguably a mixture between conjecture and hyperbole which would not be surprising from a newspaper that is clearly quite left-wing and often aims to make right-wing people look bad. It's like a right-wing newspaper writing an alarmist piece about Kamala Harris. Would you expect a…

The Financial Times is "quite left-wing"? Really? It's certainly not Jacobin! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Times#Editorial_stan...

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by abc123abc123 »

SimianSci wrote: post #74

I very violently recoil from any of Musk's ventures these days. Im sure there are some very smart and talented people working at Neuralink. They should go work for someone else as their boss has shown himself to be a revolting person and the kind of leader who seeks to actively harm people who inconvenience him. This kind of behavior is not befitting of a company that will need to cultivate an incredible amount of tr…

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Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by concordDance »

Veserv wrote: post #68
zensavona wrote: post #57

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Being concerned about animal testing seems pretty silly coming from people who likely eat pigs, sheep and other intelligent animals every day, who likely lived in just as bad conditions if not worse their whole lives leading up to them becoming food. I also eat meat, it just seems a bit ironic to me.

You are ignoring the benefit side of a benefit-harm morality analysis. Eating an animal at least ostensibly has positive value for the people doing so. However, there are plenty of forms of "animal testing" that confer zero positive value. For instance, testing the wrong compound or inserting the wrong implant confers zero benefit. Having improper controls, "testing" nonsensical theories, repeating stale results poor…

> However, there are plenty of forms of "animal testing" that confer zero positive value.

I find it difficult to believe that companies do expensive surgery on expensive animals for no reason (other than sadism?). These companies think this testing does in fact have value (and if we don't trust companies to make that determination we probably should restrict animal testing to governments).

But regardless, there's no real way to justify eating meat (given the marginal benefit of taste over vegan food) other than saying the lives and suffering of animals is essentially worthless. There isn't a threshhold you can put which will allow eating but prevent animal testing.

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