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Post by naijaboiler »

scarface_74 wrote: post #116
sundaeofshock wrote: post #89

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He did not get a majority of the vote. He won with a plurality of 49.8%.

Does that somehow make you feel better about your fellow Americans? Yes I’m a born and bred US citizen. The crap that Michelle Obama and the rest of the DNC spew about “going high when they go low” and “this is not who we are” is just that. This has always been who we are.

This is exactly who we are. Andrew Jackson was the most popular president of the 19th century.

When national guard troops shot and killed student at Kent state university protesting Vietnam, 58% of Americans were in support of it.

Yes this is who we are.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by marcinzm »

MattGrommes wrote: post #112
marcinzm wrote: post #99

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That's an employer telling employees what to do? Google can tell the same thing to it's employees and does. I don't see the relevance to the government telling other entities what to do.

The federal government isn't just "an employer", it's an extension of the public will funded with public money and should work toward the public good.

The topic is if the federal government is ignoring free speech laws in this specific instance. I'm arguing it's not.

As for public good, you'd probably find it depressing what the majority of Americans view as good.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by scarface_74 »

naijaboiler wrote: post #131
scarface_74 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that somehow make you feel better about your fellow Americans? Yes I’m a born and bred US citizen. The crap that Michelle Obama and the rest of the DNC spew about “going high when they go low” and “this is not who we are” is just that. This has always been who we are.

This is exactly who we are. Andrew Jackson was the most popular president of the 19th century. When national guard troops shot and killed student at Kent state university protesting Vietnam, 58% of Americans were in support of it. Yes this is who we are.

And Jim Crow laws…

60% of the people in the south supported them and 60% of people nationwide were opposed to interracial marriages.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by marxisttemp »

milesrout wrote: post #27
black_puppydog wrote: post #5

Great to see there's some resistance. What I'm missing from this announcement though is any mention of how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. And from what I can see, the archive is hosted by US entities on US-controlled servers…

>I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. Harvard like other liberal institutions has little to no political capital in a Republican white house in the first place. Why would it cost them any to host data that is in the public domain? This sort of silly overreaction is part of why people voted for Tr…

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Post by marxisttemp »

milesrout wrote: post #25
lou1306 wrote: post #8

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I beg you, please stop applying rule-of-law mindset against might-makes-right adversaries. It creates blind spots giving the illusion that the attack surface is way smaller than it actually is. Muskolites are taking on the SSN system without any Congressional oversight as we speak. The President is attacking ius soli which is a Constitutional right. If they decide that sending their sleuths to Cambridge MA to physica…

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Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by mindcrime »

Very happy this is happening. There's a ridiculous amount of incredibly valuable data, scientific documents, etc. "out there" that are at risk.

I haven't had much time to look at this yet and see what all is there, but whether currently included or not, a couple of things I really hope get archived are the contents of the DTIC (Defense Technical Information Center) document repository (lots of really interesting older scientific publications) and the NASA TRS (Technical Report Server).

I'm working on my own archive of at least some portion of the DTIC stuff just to be on the safe side. So far everything I've tried to access is still there, but who knows how long that will last.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by MollyRealized »

Thorrez wrote: post #78
black_puppydog wrote: post #5

Great to see there's some resistance. What I'm missing from this announcement though is any mention of how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. And from what I can see, the archive is hosted by US entities on US-controlled servers…

>how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government Is there any risk of the government ordering them to take it down? That seems unlikely to me. The US has strong free speech protection, stronger than European free speech protection. >keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. Costing them political capital (aka the government is unhappy)…

> The US has strong free speech protection, stronger than European free speech protection.

For this to be said in the current circumstances shows either a political viewpoint or a lack of knowledge.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by fragmede »

MollyRealized wrote: post #137
Thorrez wrote: post #78

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>how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government Is there any risk of the government ordering them to take it down? That seems unlikely to me. The US has strong free speech protection, stronger than European free speech protection. >keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. Costing them political capital (aka the government is unhappy)…

> The US has strong free speech protection, stronger than European free speech protection. For this to be said in the current circumstances shows either a political viewpoint or a lack of knowledge.

What's the name of the law in Germany that puts you in jail for Holocaust denial?

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by sofixa »

Thorrez wrote: post #130
sofixa wrote: post #91

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> The US has strong free speech protection, stronger than European free speech protection Citation needed. "European free speech protection" doesn't exist, each country has its own rules and freedoms. Hungary is drastically less free than e.g. France... but overall, as a rule of thumb, unless for you freedom of speech includes freedom to be a Nazi, European countries are pretty free. And don't take stances such as "s…

The US values free speech higher than privacy. The EU values privacy higher than free speech. >Opinions on the right to be forgotten differ greatly between the United States and EU countries. In the United States, accessibility, the right of free speech according to the First Amendment, and the "right to know" are typically favored over removing or increasing difficulty to access truthfully published information rega…

Right to be forgotten isn't related to free speech, it is indeed about privacy.

Free speech and "right to know" are different things. The second one is about transparency, and is very important... but as you say, the EU draws the border with "your rights stop where others' begin". We have a similar thing in many EU countries where people arrested/on trial still have a right to privacy until conviction, to avoid their names being forever plastered everywhere, with mugshots, based on nothing proven.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by dang »

marxisttemp wrote: post #135
milesrout wrote: post #25

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