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On DeepSeek and export controls

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Re: On DeepSeek and export controls

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Post by guerrilla »

MiiMe19 wrote: post #99
guerrilla wrote: post #97

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Indeed, the US has committed human rights violations pretty consistently. https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities...

Note how interesting it is that you can read about these on the internet in the US on US hosted servers by US companies. At least we own up to it and don't just throw you in a mental asylum like they do to anyone who dares to stand up to the CCP.

There's a big difference between allowing the information to exist and "owning up to it." The US just has a different strategy for dealing with it.

Re: On DeepSeek and export controls

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Post by MiiMe19 »

guerrilla wrote: post #131
MiiMe19 wrote: post #99

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Note how interesting it is that you can read about these on the internet in the US on US hosted servers by US companies. At least we own up to it and don't just throw you in a mental asylum like they do to anyone who dares to stand up to the CCP.

There's a big difference between allowing the information to exist and "owning up to it." The US just has a different strategy for dealing with it.

And that strategy, notably, does not include camps or asylums for people like you and me.

Re: On DeepSeek and export controls

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Post by hellojesus »

wood_spirit wrote: post #128
hellojesus wrote: post #122

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> And it doesn’t matter if Trump defends Taiwan and makes China back down - the fabs will have been bombed to bits. What would prevent the US from directly attacking China's domestic fabs in this scenario? Defending Taiwan doesn't seem as proxy-ish as Ukraine considering China considers it their territory already.

It seems unlikely the US will take military action to protect an ally. It seems even more unlikely that, should the US be prepared to bomb land targets in China, that they would do anything beyond overt military targets that are being used to attack Taiwan. When trump has recently been asked what he’ll do when China attacks Taiwan he has just said sanctions and tariffs.

Maybe so. Thank you for the perspective.

My going hypothesis is that the US cannot politically solve their Modern Monetary Theory national debt blackhole problem and is therefore itching for WW3 to be able to "reset" debts when the dust settles. Taiwan seems like a good opportunity for that, but maybe there is some sanity left in Congress.

Re: On DeepSeek and export controls

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Post by scilro »

inglor_cz wrote: post #31
suraci wrote: post #17

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otherwise it will become to a multipolar world(or 'bipolar', said the article) that would be horrible, a multipolar world? what a nightmare

Multipolar world is probably going to have multiple wars on the "edges of control", similar to the one now raging in Ukraine. It may also have some positives, too, but situations with several similarly sized powers competing for primacy have historically been pretty bloody. Unlike Apple and Google, the US, China, Russia etc. have military forces at their disposal.

US unipolar hegemony has averted an all-out war, but it has also been very bloody, or at least immiserating, for people at its periphery.

Multipolarity doesn't imply we go back to the 1910s. The idea would be to strengthen multilateral institutions that put a check on things like the World Wars.

Re: On DeepSeek and export controls

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

MiiMe19 wrote: post #126
CuriouslyC wrote: post #120

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Funny you mention fascists. As for China being a concentration camp gang, that's not going to matter when their former big brother/ally is just relentlessly bullying them and trying to extract all sorts of concessions under duress, and the alternative has demonstrated to be a reliable ally and partner.

Once again, I don't really care if Europe decides that is who they want to be friends with. If your country thinks that trade is more important than the country currently directly committing a modern holocaust, I don't want us to be allied with you at all.

As opposed to the country openly supporting the ongoing genocide in Gaza, which would not be possible without its help?

Re: On DeepSeek and export controls

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Post by suraci »

MiiMe19 wrote: post #98
k1m wrote: post #87

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I made no such comparison, but if you really want to start comparing government crimes and human rights abuses, I think you'll find we can make a stronger moral case arguing for chip bans for US companies than Chinese companies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BOBKTmaQ9M

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if you're chinese you'll know some chinese were sterilized because they _didn't_ believe in a religion

muslims were pardoned of child policy because of their ethnics, it's a privilege of them

people can not imagine something they never saw, try dig your own history, you'll find why it's always about religonal genocide, religonal sterilization, and religonal concentration camps

Re: On DeepSeek and export controls

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Post by ironhaven »

hellojesus wrote: post #93
breakitmakeit wrote: post #49

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Article 1 Section 8 does not enumerate Congress with the power to provide healthcare, so Medicaid should onoy be a state level program. I know removing it harms those at the low end of the income spectrum, and that is a bummer, but I really would prefer Congress ammend the Constitution instead of just passing laws of which they have no authority to pass.

Well according to the unitary executive theory the US president has complete authority over all government actions and congress is only able to give legitimacy to the president's actions. Under this regime the president would be allowed to stop the execution of any law passed by congress.

I think this is insane and a complete destruction of the balance of power written in the constitution that congress can't enact enforceable laws but only "suggestions" for the president

Re: On DeepSeek and export controls

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Post by MiiMe19 »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #135
MiiMe19 wrote: post #126

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Once again, I don't really care if Europe decides that is who they want to be friends with. If your country thinks that trade is more important than the country currently directly committing a modern holocaust, I don't want us to be allied with you at all.

As opposed to the country openly supporting the ongoing genocide in Gaza, which would not be possible without its help?

Yeah. I personally think we should just sink the middle east into the ocean because not a single problem there will ever be resolved in a meaningful way.

Re: On DeepSeek and export controls

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Post by mistercheph »

highfrequency wrote: post #61
pavl- wrote: post #10

Unless the author makes a compelling case about why AI breaks the MAD status-quo between nuclear powers, I will assume that their appeals to NATSEC are an attempt to artificially create moat for their company.

I also find it counterintuitively reassuring that we have already had the power to blow up the planet for decades. But at least in theory - GPT10 level AI could help develop missile defense systems that actually work at scale, which would eliminate the MAD status quo, no?

What about the missile guidance / launch systems it could develop? The question at the at the limit of development becomes is nuclear warfare slightly attacker biased or slightly defender biased?

Re: On DeepSeek and export controls

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Post by dang »

throwaway_32u10 wrote: post #20

I'm kind of tired of the entire narrative that "US good, everyone else bad", as if only US deserves to hold powerful technology because it will be used for "the greater good", rather than employ it in military applications, as if Anthropic didn't partner with Palantir. And it amazes me how many people can't seem to see past the "US is good, everyone else are bad" smoke mirror.

I'm sure most of us agree with you, but independently of that, please don't take HN threads on generic tangents, and certainly not generic nationalistic flamewar tangents. The problem is that it's tediously repetitive and inevitably turns nasty.

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents."

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