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USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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This restriction makes no sense. The US says "18 countries may purchase our AI chips", but what I understand is "90% of the world may purchase Chinese AI chips". China just needs to infiltrate Taiwan, which is geographically and culturally closer than the US.

What does Taiwan have to do with this? Because it’s a US ally China could get GPUs through Taiwan if china invaded Taiwan? Maybe old ones if this is what you are saying.

I said "infiltrate" as in "send their best engineers as undercover agents to work at TSMC".

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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This is odd, ETH Zurich is one of the top ML research labs in the world. They routinely work with Disney! Are they going to block Germany and Max Planck Institute as well? (who commonly work with ETH Zurich) https://studios.disneyresearch.com/researchlab/disney-resear... https://www.youtube.com/disneyresearchhub

"Only 18 trusted allies will be granted unrestricted access to this technology in future, wrote the online portal of French-speaking Swiss television RTS on Sunday. These include Germany, France and Japan."

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Deepseek used older generation chips and developed a model that takes significantly less compute. Making having access to tons of the latest nvidia hardware unnecessary.

Being forced to live with more HW restrictions usually results in more reliance on SW creativity and better optimizations instead of lazy developers bloating SW to fill all available resources. Just like how it's no surprise that websites developed where everyone has the latest and grates fully loaded M silicon MacBooks also sufferer from horrible lack of optimizations because "it works on my machine" while being a s…

Websites and the like are a different world from ML training, where devs seem to be more performance-conscious. But there's a weird reliance on CUDA because devs (rightfully) don't trust the alternatives.

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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I'm not trying to take sides in this, but your link seems to support the parent who you're disagreeing with. You have to get to the 14th most popular origin to see the first non-European immigrant. Which this, like usual, follows a power law distribution. So yeah, looks like most immigrants are coming from Germany, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and Kosovo. Last I checked, they are all white European countries.

> Germany, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and Kosovo. Last I checked, they are all white European countries. Kosovo has never been white (it's majority-Muslim, culturally Middle Eastern) and whether Italy/Portugal/Spain are considered white fluctuates based on politics.

> Kosovo has never been white (it's majority-Muslim, culturally Middle Eastern)

TIL Muslim == brown. I always though Indonesians were Asian.

As an American, searching Google images, I really am surprised these people are not considered white. These are the whitest looking "middle easterners" I've ever seen. They really just look like their neighbors: Greeks, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania...

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Well, Switzerland should restrict access to what is now called "The Magnificent Seven" (Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Meta, Microsoft, Nvidia, Tesla): https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/u... This article falsely claims that "the US leads AI development right now". A very high percentage of research and implementers is from the EU, China and Russia (e.g., Sutskever).

Restrict access how? To imports?

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Well, Switzerland should restrict access to what is now called "The Magnificent Seven" (Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Meta, Microsoft, Nvidia, Tesla): https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/u... This article falsely claims that "the US leads AI development right now". A very high percentage of research and implementers is from the EU, China and Russia (e.g., Sutskever).

Russia is laughable in this list. Sutskever left it after high school. Canada would be more apt, as the top 3 famous AI dudes share U of Toronto alma mater.

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Can you please explain to me why AI chips don't matters anymore because of DeepSeek? I thought it was just a better model, but perhaps I didn't get it?

Deepseek used older generation chips and developed a model that takes significantly less compute. Making having access to tons of the latest nvidia hardware unnecessary.

This does not make sense. If R1 scales similarly to other GPTs, throwing 100x more compute at it will produce an even stronger model.

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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This restriction makes no sense. The US says "18 countries may purchase our AI chips", but what I understand is "90% of the world may purchase Chinese AI chips". China just needs to infiltrate Taiwan, which is geographically and culturally closer than the US.

Isn't this going to erode Nvidia's CUDA advantage? I thought that was way more important than their hardware.

Well seems Deepseek still used CUDA at least

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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> Germany, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and Kosovo. Last I checked, they are all white European countries. Kosovo has never been white (it's majority-Muslim, culturally Middle Eastern) and whether Italy/Portugal/Spain are considered white fluctuates based on politics.

> Kosovo has never been white (it's majority-Muslim, culturally Middle Eastern) TIL Muslim == brown. I always though Indonesians were Asian. As an American, searching Google images, I really am surprised these people are not considered white. These are the whitest looking "middle easterners" I've ever seen. They really just look like their neighbors: Greeks, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania...

> TIL Muslim == brown. I always though Indonesians were Asian.

Indonesia is Muslim for different reasons. In that part of the world the religious divide follows the historic culural/ethnic divide (for the same reasons) and is a useful shorthand - I could have equally pointed to how Kosovans drink their coffee, but that would have been less legible.

> As an American, searching Google images, I really am surprised these people are not considered white. These are the whitest looking "middle easterners" I've ever seen. They really just look like their neighbors: Greeks, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania...

America famously didn't consider the Irish "white" until relatively recently, and Irish people are whiter than white skin-tone-wise. Of course if you've spent much time around Irish people you can immediately see the difference between the Irish and their next-door neighbours, but that goes for all of these distinctions.

Kosovo-Bulgaria-Türkiye is ethnically continuous, you'll find people from Türkiye and Syria who look much like Kosovans (and, more importantly, have very similar cultures). Greeks are another group who are "white" or not depending on current politics. Serbians are Slavs, continuous with Slovaks or Ukrainians, which again is a group whose whiteness is a political question (even Poles haven't always been "white" in America). Romanians are their own unique thing (as the name suggests, they're the last of the Romans, and have a distinct culture that reflects that).

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Being forced to live with more HW restrictions usually results in more reliance on SW creativity and better optimizations instead of lazy developers bloating SW to fill all available resources. Just like how it's no surprise that websites developed where everyone has the latest and grates fully loaded M silicon MacBooks also sufferer from horrible lack of optimizations because "it works on my machine" while being a s…

Yeah, seen the same with PC gaming. Minimum specs absolutely exploding for no real reason other than the fact most gamers were buying the latest top tier cards. Then the Steam Deck came out and devs are forced to consider the fact that a 2D pixel art game shouldn't be lagging out on a SoC capable of producing stunning 3D graphics in a properly optimized game.

Well, the Steam Deck's release coincided with the popularity of reconstruction techniques. The Deck didn't "force" devs to consider optimization so much as it just gave them a low-end reconstruction target to play with. Without FSR and XESS, there's no doubt that the Deck would be a solidly last-gen console.

Strictly speaking, a lot of games really shouldn't be playable on the Steam Deck. Baldur's Gate III and Cyberpunk 2077 are both CPU-bound before reaching 60fps and can barely keep their head above 30fps running at 360p internal resolution. The Deck's saving grace is that it can tap into the same dynamic resolution mode that last-gen consoles depend on for consistent framerates.

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