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> Now show me the AI write something that's actually good on purpose The average human can't even write a 3000 word short story that is good "on purpose" even if they tried. I know because I've participated in many writing workshops. The real question is: can you? > AI can write an argument that's bad on purpose Are you able to recognise good writing? How do I know? For all I know you're the most incompetent reader a…
The 'strawmanning your opponent' technique is a non-argument, and is effortless to pull off. Surrounding your argument with tons of purple prose (which Claude is good at) does not change that. Writing a good argument requires 3 things: be logical, be compelling and likeable, and have a solid reputation. It does not require purple prose. As for good writing, I'm pretty sure Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy qualifi…
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the fact that you are seriously asking this question says a lot about your taste. Non sequitur. My sense taste or lack of it, is irrelevant. Questions about "taste" don't matter when the average person doesn't have the craft to produce what they claim they are competent to judge especially when we're talking about such low hanging fruit as: "write a short story", "write an essay", "analyse this math problem", "draw…
Frankly i think you cannot get past your own delusion about AI and no argument will change your mind. No one can make you appreciate art properly and I can only hope one day you will.
Lmao.
Refer to my other comment for more context, for whatever that is worth (talking with strangers who are eager to judge everyone but themselves is always weird but unavoidable online): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42790853
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I can only speak for myself, but a large and growing proportion of the text I read every day is LLM output. If Claude and Deepseek produce slop, then it's a far higher calibre of slop than most human writers could aspire to.
What kind of text are you reading? Do you work in LLM development? Or are you just noticing that many news sites are using LLMs more and more? I've noticed obvious LLM output on low quality news sites, but I don't tend to read them anyway. Maybe all the comments I read are from LLMs and I just don't realise?
It's quite difficult to analogise because LLMs are so profoundly novel, but the best I can do is that it's like having an infinitely patient and extremely knowledgeable assistant. That assistant isn't omniscient or infallible, but it's extremely useful because it tends to provide the information that I want, presented in a way that's particularly relevant to me. That requires a certain amount of rapport-building - understanding the characteristics of various models, learning to ask good questions, guiding the model towards my preferences with customised system prompts - but the effort pays off handsomely.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Now show me the AI write something that's actually good on purpose The average human can't even write a 3000 word short story that is good "on purpose" even if they tried. I know because I've participated in many writing workshops. The real question is: can you? > AI can write an argument that's bad on purpose Are you able to recognise good writing? How do I know? For all I know you're the most incompetent reader a…
The 'strawmanning your opponent' technique is a non-argument, and is effortless to pull off. Surrounding your argument with tons of purple prose (which Claude is good at) does not change that. Writing a good argument requires 3 things: be logical, be compelling and likeable, and have a solid reputation. It does not require purple prose. As for good writing, I'm pretty sure Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy qualifi…
That's a common misconception that young writers have. Their prose is first purple and overwrought, then they overcorrect and try to be Hemmingway, then they master the craft and discover that form follows function.
As such, the "purpleness" of prose is not an indictment of any sort except if the style doesn't serve the substance. So yes, purple prose is sometimes required and can be used correctly, just ask James Joyce or Hitchens or remember that first sentence in Lolita, for example.
Furthermore, almost every piece of writing you've probably enjoyed went through an editor or several professional editors. You'd be shocked to read early or even late drafts.
(Also, a having "solid reputation" has f' all to do with whether you can construct a good argument. Wanting that as a prerequisite is what the cool kids used to call "appeal to authority". Anyway ...)
But wtf are we even talking about now?
> Besides, surpassing most humans in an area where most humans are unskilled is not a feat, not even AI companies flex on that.
I don't care what "AI companies flex". What I care about, as a programmer, and as an artist, and as a writer who won a tiny prize in my even tinier and insignificant niche on the planet, is what tools we can build for the average person and what tools I have access to.
If I have a robot that is 50% stronger than me or 10x better read than the average human or 20% better than the average mathematician, that's a huge victory. So yes, surpassing the average human is a feat.
But it's not merely the average human who has been surpassed: the average mathematician (skilled in mathematics) and the average artists (skilled in art) and the average writer, have all been surpassed. That is my testable claim. Play with the tools, and see for yourself.
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#135Question related to 3D mesh models in general: has any significant work been done on models oriented towards photogrammetry? Case in point, I have a series of photos (48) that capture a small statue. The photos are high quality, the object was on a rotating platform. Lighting is consistent. The background is solid black. These normally are ideal variables for photogrammetry but none of the various common applications…
> the object was on a rotating platform Isn't a static-object-rotating-camera basically a requirement for photogrammetry?
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Not all procedurally generated things are slop, and not all slop are made via procedural generation. And popularity has nothing to do with private, subjective quality evaluations of the individual (aka, what someone calls slop might be picasso to another), but with objective, public evaluations of the product via purchases.
What is your definition of slop?
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#137Question related to 3D mesh models in general: has any significant work been done on models oriented towards photogrammetry? Case in point, I have a series of photos (48) that capture a small statue. The photos are high quality, the object was on a rotating platform. Lighting is consistent. The background is solid black. These normally are ideal variables for photogrammetry but none of the various common applications…
[0] https://github.com/NVlabs/instant-ngp
[1] https://github.com/NVlabs/instant-ngp/blob/master/docs/nerf_...
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I can only speak for myself, but a Metaverse consisting of infinite procedural slop sounds about as appealing as reading infinite LLM generated books, that is, not at all. "Cost to zero" implies drinking directly from the AI firehose with no human in the loop (those cost money) and entertainment produced in that manner is still dire, even in the relatively mature field of pure text generation.
Screw Metaverse. Let's make a VR holodeck. Star Trek's Holodeck is actually a good case study here (especially with the recent series, Lower Decks , going as far as making two episodes that are interactive movies on a holodeck, going quite deep into how that could work in practice both in terms of producing and experiencing them). One observation derived here is that infinite procedural content at your fingertip does…
Caitian pictures, on the other hand…
I think they were more than implying what T'Ana got up to with Shaxs.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can only speak for myself, but a Metaverse consisting of infinite procedural slop sounds about as appealing as reading infinite LLM generated books, that is, not at all. "Cost to zero" implies drinking directly from the AI firehose with no human in the loop (those cost money) and entertainment produced in that manner is still dire, even in the relatively mature field of pure text generation.
I think it has its place. For 'background filler' I think it makes a lot of sense; stuff which you don't need to care about, but whose absence can make something feel less real. To me, this takes the place / augments procedural generation stuff. NPC crowds in which none of the participants are needed for the plot, but in which you can have unique clothing / appearance / lines is not "needed" for a game, but can flesh…
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Ironic how this comment exemplifies the issue - broad claims about "slop" output but no specific examples or engagement with current architectures. Real discussions here usually reference benchmarks or implementation details. (from Claude)
You're sort of ignoring the issue? If the generated content was good and interesting enough on it's own, we would already have ai publishing houses pushing out entire trilogies, and each of those would be top sellers. Generative content right now is OK. OK isn't really the goal, or what anyone wants.
I don't think it is there yet for articles either.
My point with the Claude generated comment was maybe it could get pretty close to something like an hn comment.