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I'm not sure how many dimensions this chess game is being played in, but if I were a lawmaker I would be wary of unintended consequences. Overall, I view this is as an admission to US populace and the world that the US is a weak-minded country that can easily be influenced by propaganda.

> Overall, I view this is as an admission to US populace and the world that the US is a weak-minded country that can easily be influenced by propaganda.

That is quite a silly assumption to make

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post #25

Maybe someone smarter than me can explain - how both Biden and Trump can hint or announce they wont enforce the law. Signed laws upheld by the Supreme Court can be filtered out by the President? News to me.

They've announced that they won't enforce the fines required by the law. But yes, selective enforcement of laws is legal — it's how prosecutorial discretion works.

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Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?

Why do you care if a chinese company is banned from business in the US? All sorts of american companies are banned from doing business in China

Why do you care if your car gets stolen when people in China get their cars stolen every day? Well because they are taking something away from me

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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post #29
post #21

Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?

Why do you care if a chinese company is banned from business in the US? All sorts of american companies are banned from doing business in China

If we banned all Chinese business with America, America would hurt a lot more than China. Our plutocracy made sure of that fact decades ago.

I care becsuse I hate hypocrisy. Simple as that. They'll sweep Russian activity under the rug as long as it's done in an American website. This mindset clearly isn't results oriented.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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post #22

People don't fully understand what is at risk of being lost here. Science, history, and technology tutorials, practical life skills like cooking, budgeting, mental health, chronic illness, trauma recovery, creative expression, small businesses, home repair, friend groups, communities, and many people who make their living on TikTok. Losing TikTok means losing a massive ecosystem and all of its connections, knowledge,…

No one is deleting data. You just can't run the app in the US anymore. If someone cares to archive this junk, they can just do it from Australia or wherever.

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post #28
post #21

Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?

The whole case turns on foreign adversary control of the data.

It seems pretty bold to assume that Google, Facebook, Amazon, X, etc aren't adversaries. Foreign or otherwise.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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post #21

Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?

It’s bad because China has different interests than the US. Imagine if a war breaks out in Taiwan and they send targeted propaganda to members of the US military.

US-made missiles are blowing stuff up inside Russia because Russia invaded a treaty partner who gave up their nukes in exchange for a security alliance with the US. And yet Russian apps are in our app stores. Nobody needs to imagine.

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US should ban all Chinese software apps and services as long as CCP does not allow Google and Facebook to operate in China. As a matter of fact not only Google and Facebook but all the Western internet social apps and services should be allowed in China. We want equal opportunity and equal rights for business. This way it is not fair play, it is botched market economy.

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post #86
post #21

Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?

> But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? China blocks facebook/twitter/instagram/pinterest/gmail/wikipedia/twitch and even US newspapers. So clearly they don't think it's okay for a US-company to do it (and are at least an order magnitude stricter about it)...

If US wants to imitate China, they should imitate its industry not its restrictions to freedoms.

The ideal world order isn't the one where Chinese can't find out what happened on Tiananmen square and Americans can't find out what happened in Gaza. That's a very shitty arrangement and I am shocked that the Americans are picking that as their future.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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post #86
post #21

Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?

> But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? China blocks facebook/twitter/instagram/pinterest/gmail/wikipedia/twitch and even US newspapers. So clearly they don't think it's okay for a US-company to do it (and are at least an order magnitude stricter about it)...

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