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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> As the Hamas leadership pointed out, this objective failed. Israel's objective from day one has not been to expel Hamas from Gaza (that's virtually impossible), but to remove it from power . And if the rumors about the ceasefire are true (and if the ceasefire is going to be respected), that's what's going to happen.

Hamas is the casus belli that they spent decades creating

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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post #112
post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

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>due to literal IDF agents running newsrooms across the country

source?

>Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the guys

Are you missing a word here? Or is this intentional?

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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post #111
post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

Trump and Netanyahu famously had beef: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-59571713 Trump's a die hard Israel supporter but I think personally he feels disgust for Netanyahu, for reasons that arent too clear. (As we all should - Netanyahu is a deeply racist genocidal maniac who cynically used this conflict to try and save his own political career)

Trump was mad at Netanyahu for being the first to congratulate Biden on winning in 2020.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Hamas agreed to this deal months ago. Give Trump credit for applying pressure to the party that actually rejected it.

That's not true. Hamas finally agreed to let Israel monitor the Philadelphi corridor and to keep a buffer zone.

Hamas also finally released an actual list with names of who they would release.

Those were the changes the made the deal. Israel did not change their position.

If you think you are right, then tell me: What did Hamas want that they didn't get before, than now because of Trump Israel agreed to? There's not a single thing, but I'll let you have a chance to find something.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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post #112
post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

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> Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the guys

Was the second “guys” supposed to have an adjective attached to it?

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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post #127

I have never seen so many downvoted comments that aren’t dead in a thread before. If anyone had examples of other threads of this ilk I’d be curious to see them. I’m completely ignorant as to the public sentiment on this topic, no social media besides this site.

You will see it in any thread about Israel or Jews. Tons of flagged and downvoted posts. I emailed hn about it.

Unlike those highly motivated people, normal people don't spend time upvoting and vouching, so you end up with a tattered mess of a thread.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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post #133
post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>due to literal IDF agents running newsrooms across the country source? >Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the guys Are you missing a word here? Or is this intentional?

The NYTimes widely referenced but debunked story “Screams without words” about alleged rapes on October 7 was co-authored by a literal IDF intelligence agent. Also the Atlantic Editor-in-Chief is IDF. More importantly, why are there so few Muslim newsroom editors and reporters jn the US media vs Jewish editors and reporters?

Polls immediately after Oct 7 showed college students support Hamas more than Israel, and that’s before a year of live-streamed genocide. (Fixed missing word)

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#139
Time to pay the piper.

IMO Iran is the winner (least damaged) out of all this. Their proxies are smashed, but the core strength is still the same.

Israel has blown all its international credibility. The International Court of Justice verdict will be very interesting. If it goes against Israel then BDS will (should) become the policy for all countries.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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post #55

So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

Realistically, West Bank will be gone (totally settled, all Palestinians removed) in 15 years. Gaza will further be ghettoized and, pessimistically, will be basically gone in 50 years or so.

That's not realistic at all. Israel has no apparent plans to settle the major Palestinian population centers in the West Bank like Nablus, Ramallah etc. and evict Palestinians from there.

Indeed, life will probably continue getting worse for West Bank Palestinians under the Israeli apartheid regime, but there's no reason to believe they'll be literally exterminated.

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