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JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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Workers need to tread carefully here. If you there's no need to be in the office, what's to stop corporate from replacing you with an Indian that costs 1/3rd as much? Push back too hard on RTO and you may not have a job at all in five years.

nope. you are comparing apples and oranges and everyone knows it.

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I think RTO mandates will be the straw that broke the camel's back, for a lot of Americans. Workers in sectors that previously wouldn't even think about unionizing, are now having serious discussions. Going back to commutes, wasting time, for no obvious reason - yeah, that did wake up people. EDIT: I'm talking about rigid 5 days a week RTO policy. As other have pointed out, having a flexible WFH policy is often "good…

I've heard "The Great Resignation" only 2 years ago about quiet quitters and people who would switch employers in a heartbeat when made to RTO. The opposite has happened. Workers are craving jobs harder than since the financial crisis.

Causation and correlation.

The job market is different. Workers will take what they can, till they land a remote role. Remote jobs are in high demand.

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I generally like working in the office. I get more completed, I enjoy my coworkers, communication is easier, and I'm visible to management. If it came down to RTO, or a 4 day work week, It would be an unbelievably simple choice: 4 day week.

when people say 4 day week, do they mean 4 10 hour days or work 32 hours a week?

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That's the good answer https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/nov/19/starling-ba...

AND not alone, it's time to prepare a mass resign for all companies pushing RTO stating clear that they are against human evolution, so harmful for humanity AND their heads must resign to end the strike.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever thought of why? Just ‘magic’, is an open doorway for bias and unreliable memory to enter and influence the conversation. Is it perhaps that there are specific people, who are doing the ideation, or are particularly good at helping you think? Or is it anyone and everyone? If it’s anyone, then is it a social / biological quirk? Is it something else? For everyone reading, this is worth reflecting upon, if…

Don't overcomplicate things. Whiteboards are way better than even the best of online tools and drawing with a mouse. For that matter, post-it notes on a wall are better than JIRA. At one workplace everyone had glass table so they could draw on with markers. People could literally come up to your desk and you could work through problems together on one end of the table. The best online tools are garbage compared to ph…

These are your > spontaneous social chats often lead to work-related brainstorming. Being in the office next to co-workers leads to more spontaneous discussions.

I submit that this isn’t my reality.I never spontaneously break out a whiteboard., the same way I dont spontaneously break out into a dance routine.

I do hope I’m in the majority, otherwise I’m really unsure of what to make of all the work places I’ve been at.

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post #34

I think RTO mandates will be the straw that broke the camel's back, for a lot of Americans. Workers in sectors that previously wouldn't even think about unionizing, are now having serious discussions. Going back to commutes, wasting time, for no obvious reason - yeah, that did wake up people. EDIT: I'm talking about rigid 5 days a week RTO policy. As other have pointed out, having a flexible WFH policy is often "good…

So why do companies insist? If it has no meaningful impact on productivity, and workers don't like it (including a lot of managers), why push it? That's why I believe that companies have some evidence (or belief) that work from home employees are not as productive, enough so to wage this political battle and pay loads in office expenses.

Soft layoffs.

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#137

I dislike RTO for one simple reason . I'm not at work to make friends, I'm not at work to chit chat. I'm not at work so we can talk about who won the last football game . I go to work in exchange for currency, which is required to acquire goods and services. All this other crap, all these holiday parties, all of this let's dance in diversity videos, no that's not what I'm here for . Most of the time coming to the off…

> I'm not at work to make friends, Most of my great friends I met at work

And my friends are from a sports group that meets up every Sunday, who aren’t any bit related to work.

Some people prefer meeting others outside of work and there’s nothing wrong with it. My coworkers are wonderful folks but, frankly, won’t become beer-buddies.

Re: JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

#138

I dislike RTO for one simple reason . I'm not at work to make friends, I'm not at work to chit chat. I'm not at work so we can talk about who won the last football game . I go to work in exchange for currency, which is required to acquire goods and services. All this other crap, all these holiday parties, all of this let's dance in diversity videos, no that's not what I'm here for . Most of the time coming to the off…

You really misunderstand why the jobs are in NYC, if you think that people only come to NYC for the jobs.

On the same point, gosh you sound like a fun person! I know, I'm sure it's not part of your job to be personable. Though, I do wonder how an approach like that will work for most people.

Re: JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

#139

I dislike RTO for one simple reason . I'm not at work to make friends, I'm not at work to chit chat. I'm not at work so we can talk about who won the last football game . I go to work in exchange for currency, which is required to acquire goods and services. All this other crap, all these holiday parties, all of this let's dance in diversity videos, no that's not what I'm here for . Most of the time coming to the off…

Then maybe you aren't a culture fit for that employer / office? My experience is just so different. I love the vibe and the camaraderie of my office. It makes it fun to work there. Just sitting at home working, never interacting with people in person sounds really dull and boring and cold to me. I had to do that in 2020 and I hated it. Productivity is nice, but IMO it's not all about productivity. As a worker I value…

> My experience is just so different. I love the vibe and the camaraderie of my office. It makes it fun to work there.

Me too! If we had free teleporters I'd probably go into the office for at least half my work day, just about every day, voluntarily.

... I don't like it enough to pay about 15 days per year, every year (5 hours commuting per week, times 50 weeks, divided by 16 waking hours per day[1]), hundreds of dollars a month commuting (gas, plus insurance and depreciation on a car), and make every single thing that happens at home and requires my attention less convenient and more disruptive in ways that probably also amount to at least several hundred dollars per year, one way or another, and quite a few extra micromorts/micro-chances-of-crippling-injury per year (risk of that ~250 hours of extra driving). Plus increased restrictions on where you can live, which can come with significant (tens of thousands per year) costs in many ways, including in raw dollar terms.

It's nice, but the cost is really high. I'd also probably really have fun with a supercar, but I'd rather not buy one just the same. Far too pricey for the benefit, to me.

[1] Perhaps more to the point, that means over six entire work-weeks of extra work time per year, uncompensated, just to get to and from work. A month and a half of extra work every year. And that's with an hour a day spent, lots of people have more than 30 minutes lost per day (nb you'd need to include extra gassing-up stops, and extra car maintenance visits, divided by commute days per year, to properly account for this—so your commute time would need to average somewhat under 30 minutes each way to hit only an hour lost each day, probably closer to 25 minutes than 30).

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